Pissing Off Putin.

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Originally Posted by Joe_K

If you get your news on Putin from anywhere else you're going to have a skewed perspective.

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Regardless of a news source, the perspective is skewed.

Those that wish to make up their own minds on issues should read every possible source from all sides and draw their own conclusions.

Regarding Putin, no one can claim to understand his goals, nor that of any man. People, especially politicians, have a long history words and actions that do not reveal their true intentions. Often until it it too late.

His seemingly obvious goals are to resurrect the might Mother Russia had under the Soviet Union. His true aspirations are anyone's guess.

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Originally Posted by Joe_K

No. It?s very easy to find and listen to some speeches.

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so what you're saying is you're talking out of your ass. got it.

Personally, one of the smartest things to avoid Russia going the nuclear option is Patriot missle batteries.

As the war winds down and Russia loses, sure, we were looking at them doing a nuclear option, a tactical against Kiev or something, simply because Ukraine can't defend itself, and the international response would be weighted to avoid escalating into all out nuclear.

Now that there are patriots in play, it changes the balance.

What happens if Putin launches 5 nukes, and they are intercepted?

What happens if he launches 100 nukes?

Nukes are now starting to come off the f%$%ing table as an option.

Don't pay attention to what Russia said, step into Russia's shoes instead.

They can't launch 100 nukes or Russia would cease to exist. They can't even launch 5. At most, they were looking at using a tactical or two. Now the risk of those being intercepted changes the balance to where they risk serious retaliation and a loss-of-face if they attempt it, with no value added.

Install more patriots if anything...

And anyone who thinks Russia is not a risk to our lives, lives inside of a confined box. Undermining their economy and making them lose this war changes the balance of power even with China and will help to maintain the peace for possibly another couple decades. Russia also invests more in espionage than any other nation; suffice to say the effects of that run deep.

Ignore Russia, and we probably will have a world war in 6-10 years in which our prospects of prevailing would be quite low, and even if we did, there wouldn't be much to celebrate by the time the fires quenched and bodies were mass-buried. China... is watching.

I was pretty much against assisting Ukraine until it was pointed out to me that Ukraine surrendered its arsenal of nukes with the specific understanding that Ukraine would be protected from aggression.

Putin is a fool for many reasons but one of the reasons is that his actions have made it much more difficult to try and convince other states to give up their nukes and that's not good for the world.

I'm not in favor of starting Cold War II, since I already lived through the first one, but time and time again we've seen what happens when aggressive assholes in charge of countries are allowed to get away with invading their neighbors. It's not good.

Putin is good at talking tough (that seems to be the ONLY thing he's good at) but I doubt he has the stones to start actually throwing nukes at anybody. Even the most deranged dictator knows there are some lines you don't cross. For example, during WWII all combatants were in possession of chemical weapons but they were never used in combat because even madmen like Hitler and Stalin knew that was a Pandora's Box that they didn't want to open.

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Originally Posted by Scanker19

Some? Could you be any more vague. You literally said listen and watch all of his speeches. You can?t cliff note it for us. But rather it?s easier to go back to December 22nd 2002 and beyond and just venture around hoping we find the exact one you?re talking about. Or worse draw severs conclusions from several, ostensibly, long winded speeches. Yeah super easy.

It would take 2-3 sentences to convey that information.
This is the dude equivalent of, ?? I?m having a bad day?? What?s wrong? ?? I DONT WANT TO TALK ABOUT IT??


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You are right, I did write all, that would be very time consuming, I will be editing my initial post to say “some”.

I absolutely can cliff note it, I am choosing not too. I think it?s good for folks to look up stuff on their own, especially when it is a serious topic. My only point is you can look up what he has said, (and hope the translation is good), or rely on other sources to tell you what someone else said, someone else said.

Yes, people lie. Including politicians, translators, news media talking heads, journalists, and forum users. You can listen to people and make up your own mind on what they are saying.

It seems that for some reason you are upset that I am choosing not to summarize what I have heard the Man say, are you ok?

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Originally Posted by funkymonkey1111

so what you're saying is you're talking out of your ass. got it.

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Take what I wrote any way that you would like.

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Originally Posted by eddiememphis

Regardless of a news source, the perspective is skewed.

Those that wish to make up their own minds on issues should read every possible source from all sides and draw their own conclusions.

Regarding Putin, no one can claim to understand his goals, nor that of any man. People, especially politicians, have a long history words and actions that do not reveal their true intentions. Often until it it too late.

His seemingly obvious goals are to resurrect the might Mother Russia had under the Soviet Union. His true aspirations are anyone's guess.

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People lie. Including politicians, translators, think tanks, intelligence agency operatives, news media talking heads, journalists, and forum users. I prefer to listen to people and make up my own mind on what they are saying, judged against prior behavior, while trying to understand their history and squaring that with the various narratives being drawn up by their friends and enemies.

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Originally Posted by Martinjmpr

? For example, during WWII all combatants were in possession of chemical weapons but they were never used in combat because even madmen like Hitler and Stalin knew that was a Pandora's Box that they didn't want to open.

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Well …..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SS_John_Harvey

https://www.defensemedianetwork.com/...-world-war-ii/

And many, many, many more stories, few discussing why the American Military sent that much Mustard Gas into the ETO/MTO.

Did anyone see Zelenskyy kiss Pelosi on the mouth?

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Originally Posted by FoxtArt

They can't even launch 5. At most, they were looking at using a tactical or two. Now the risk of those being intercepted changes the balance to where they risk serious retaliation and a loss-of-face if they attempt it, with no value added.

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Patriots were not designed to intercept tacnukes, which usually are fired from jets, artillery, or shoulder launched systems.

And the Patriots seem to have a poor track record... but 80% of the time they work.