Trade items

I love this stuff, I used to go out on survival hikes with my father for one to two weeks at a time in the Colorado mountains. I would hope that in a crisis that the people would not forget that we are Americans. This thread sounds like it's us against them. If a man and his family needed 5to10 rounds of ammo I would make a trade if I could. Survival at it's core can be very harsh but let's not forget we are still "One Nation Under God". If the big crisis does happen the core of who we are as Americans should change.

The promise of safety for everything they have to contribute, and to join your group would work for a while if you could find the right people. Alcohol will go along way as well.

correction should not change. wow!!!

"Feminine products" If mama ain't happy, nobody's happy...

On ammo, I think .22LR would be an excellent barter item. Easy enough to obtain at present, good for hunting smaller game (ie. feed your family), poor for attacking your neighbors (ie. being a thug), small enough to store and carry, and I can't think of any gun owning household that doesn't have one. I didn't say it wouldn't be lethal if you chose to be a thug with it, but it would be a poor choice. Of course it won't eliminate the risk of being shot with your own ammo, but it may mitigate some of the risk. I also think choosing carefully who you do business with will eliminate a lot of this risk as well.

Bottom line is if I have what you need and you have what I need I think we'll be able to reach an agreement.

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Originally Posted by cbs

I would hope that in a crisis that the people would not forget that we are Americans. This thread sounds like it's us against them. If a man and his family needed 5to10 rounds of ammo I would make a trade if I could. Survival at it's core can be very harsh but let's not forget we are still "One Nation Under God". If the big crisis does happen the core of who we are as Americans should change.

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While I would like to hope a crisis would bring out the best in people, the harsh reality is people would turn on each other like animals. There is a very thin veil that keeps people civilized. Once that is torn away, you won't like what you see.

A short term crisis like 9/11, or even Haiti, tend to bring out the best in people. I think that's because there is a feeling that the veil of civilization is just temporarily removed, that normal life with govt and laws is coming back. People feel they need to just hang on until then so they tend to help each other. Step it up to a total disaster where society gets destroyed ( nukes, plague, global natural disaster) and the tendency to be helpful and civilized gets thrown out the window. Now it becomes survival of the fittest. In that scenario, I wouldn't count on my fellow Americans for help. I wish it were different, but human nature is what it is.

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Originally Posted by mutt

While I would like to hope a crisis would bring out the best in people, the harsh reality is people would turn on each other like animals. There is a very thin veil that keeps people civilized. Once that is torn away, you won't like what you see.

A short term crisis like 9/11, or even Haiti, tend to bring out the best in people. I think that's because there is a feeling that the veil of civilization is just temporarily removed, that normal life with govt and laws is coming back. People feel they need to just hang on until then so they tend to help each other. Step it up to a total disaster where society gets destroyed ( nukes, plague, global natural disaster) and the tendency to be helpful and civilized gets thrown out the window. Now it becomes survival of the fittest. In that scenario, I wouldn't count on my fellow Americans for help. I wish it were different, but human nature is what it is.

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The above post is why I asked for this forum. Here is the deal. While I have been doing this for a long time there is only one other couple in my city that I know that has been doing the same thing.

I am not a frugal squirrel kind of guy. I went there once and that was it. 95% of the people that post here are within a 2 hour drive. I have been posting on another forum about this stuff for the last 9 years. The only problem is they all are scattered to the four corners of the states.

Just something to think about.

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Originally Posted by cbs

I love this stuff, I used to go out on survival hikes with my father for one to two weeks at a time in the Colorado mountains. I would hope that in a crisis that the people would not forget that we are Americans. This thread sounds like it's us against them. If a man and his family needed 5to10 rounds of ammo I would make a trade if I could. Survival at it's core can be very harsh but let's not forget we are still "One Nation Under God". If the big crisis does happen the core of who we are as Americans should change.

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I wish I had some of the same thoughts, and I partly do i guess, i would imagine a few people around me would help, be prepared and work together as a group.
A lot of my family and friends have all said they would come to me in a SHTF situation.
I look at Haiti, new Orleans etc and what those people did and can only hope it would be a little better here but more than likely we would see some of the same stuff...just comes down to how desperate the situation is I guess.

I agree. I have seen it within my neighborhood during and after the 2001 attack and 2007 blizzard. Smaller community tends to stick together much better too. I tried to maintain relationship with my neighbors and do trades whenever I could while conveying the message that we are here, we help when we can, and yet we are carrying big sticks too. [Tooth]

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Originally Posted by sniper7

A lot of my family and friends have all said they would come to me in a SHTF situation.

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And I have tried to get my Family and friends to at least prepare a little. I have one friend that is a member here that has started. All the kids are over 21 and do not live at home. They all say the same thing.

I mentioned that if something does happen and the camper is gone they are on there own with what is left. The way the one boy and his family is the month worth of food that I leave will be gone in a week.

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Originally Posted by jerrymrc

And I have tried to get my Family and friends to at least prepare a little. I have one friend that is a member here that has started. All the kids are over 21 and do not live at home. They all say the same thing.

I mentioned that if something does happen and the camper is gone they are on there own with what is left. The way the one boy and his family is the month worth of food that I leave will be gone in a week.

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Yeah i wonder about my family and friends as well. I know my best friend would be okay, I would definitely have to save my sister and her husband...they at least would have food, but she only have a MKII pistol.

That is funny about all the food disappearing! Sounds like they need some practice on rationing![Beer]