Ok for the cleo signature,
I live in a city, am I required to get the city police cheif to sign, or can I use the county sheriff if I choose?
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Ok for the cleo signature,
I live in a city, am I required to get the city police cheif to sign, or can I use the county sheriff if I choose?
2C
Either one is fine; I have always used the sheriff.
BTW what are you looking at getting, an M16?
Well at this point money-wise, nothing. :cry:
Eventually, depends on what I can afford.
I'm still not sure really, I want to go quality.
On the low dollar end I'm not sure - mac? What else?
Uzi's have a certain cachet for the midrange.
I'm not sure on the high end: DIAS/m16, or something a bit exotic, but quality.
Probably won't have the $ to go into the $20k range in this lifetime.
Suggestions are welcome for all my realistic price ranges.
2C
MPfiveengineer, I think you just made my point if they did the ordering. Ask what they would charge if you purchased a Blackside out-of-state on a F3 and they only performed the transfer service. In other words, you pay the out-of-state SOT (and avoid sales tax by the way) and he sends it to Jensen on a F3 to transfer to you. If its still only $50 to do the transfer then that is indeed an outstanding transfer fee for NFA.Quote:
Originally Posted by MPfiveengineer
Here's the Blackside ad:
http://www.sturmgewehr.com/webBBS/nf...cgi?read=73630
We'll agree to disagree here. I'm on my 7th can and my 15th NFA purchase and Jensen is the only SOT that charges over retail on cans.Quote:
Originally Posted by MPfiveengineer
Call Alan in Dumont or Greg in Denver. I know Alan will order you a Outback II at retail + sales tax + NFA tax. Greg isn't a GT stocking dealer so you'd have to ask him if he'd do so for the same deal.
The $150 transfer fee on guns is on the upper end of the scale for a Title 2 transfer (only other dealer I know of that high is Chad at Cal's and he's a royal PITA to work with). Greg at Denver Bullets has never charged me more than $75 to transfer an out-of-state Title 2 gun although the last time he complained that his costs were going up.
Gemtech takes good care of their dealers. I'm looking right now at the hot pink 2005 dealer price sheet they handed out at the SHOT show. It would be a violation of confidence to post the dealer pricing so let's just say the dealer margin on the Outback-II at retail completely swamps the $50 transfer fee. The high end cans on the sheet do not have a proportional margin compared to the Outback II. The margin on an OB-II, in dollars, is only 33% less than the margin on a can retailing for twice as much.
I don't want to rag on Jensen too hard. They carry very cool Title 1 guns and make reasonable deals on them. I've purchased several Title 1 guns from them and been treated fairly. We're lucky to have a dealer that specializes in "black guns" in northern Colorado. I just don't like their NFA fee policy and will not shop with them for NFA when they charge over retail. You don't mind paying the fees, that's fine. It's all part of the marketplace.
For the money, an Uzi SMG spec registered receiver is the way to go. Like a M10 or M11, it's pretty versatile. Most people prefer Uzis to Macs, but there are always exceptions. Slowfire kits and an explosion of aftermarket accessories for both platforms have made them more multi-dimensional.Quote:
Originally Posted by 2ndChildhood
Uzi's have aftermarket goodies like topcovers with rails, forgrips with rails, long, short, wood, laminate and plastic stocks - and of course, folders. Besides caliber conversions, there are colored grips (http://www.uzigrips.com/)
I got a chance to tour Vector Arms (http://www.vectorarms.com/) in North Salt Lake last Saturday and visit with the owner, Ralph Merrill. They really are the place to go for all things Uzi and also make reasonably good HK clones and Kalishnikov rifles. Here's a scoop: Vector is diversifying beyond guns and is about to announce a line of custom made off-road rock crawlers that are simply exceptional.
Back to Uzis. stay away from the slotted bolt conversions if you want caliber change versatility. You will be stuck with the caliber that the slotted bolt was made for (i.e. 9mm).
Besides 9mm, you can get .22 and .45ACP kits from Vector and on the net. The .22's kits always take some tweaking. There is a guy at KCR that sells .40 conversions and is working on a FA closed bolt system. Barrels, in spite of the import ban, are still dirt cheap. 3 lug MP5 style adaptors are available for people who want to move their tri-lug cans between MP5's and the Uzi. There are also dedicated Uzi cans that screw onto the barrel nut threads (Phil Dater and Kel demoed the new Mossad cans at the UziTalk shoot in SLC last weekend. All I can say is "wow!".).
There are also drop-in subcaliber barrels available for shooting the Swedish '9mm" practice ammo that used to be so cheap (around 3 cents a round). Unfortunately, that is starting to dry up as people have hoarded it or tossed the ammo and sold the metal clips to people with the C3 rapid loaders.
Look out for hot deals on Uzis that aren't what they seem. A FA Vector Uzi gun can still be had for around $6K. Slotted bolt guns fetch about $1K less. There is a raging controversy about the legality of registered receiver, SMG spec guns that were originally registered with a slotted bolt and have subsequently have the bolt destroyed and the blocking bar removed. There are FTB opinions issued by the ATF that these are effectively illegal. I'd stay really clear of any non-Vector SMG spec gun unless I could verify with the manufacturer in writing that the gun was registered before May 19, 1986 without the blocking bar.
Hope this helps.
Thanks Flash, it definitely helps cause I have no experience or knowledge in this area.Quote:
Originally Posted by MuzzleFlash
Now let's see Karl chime in - I don't think he can resist talking about Uzi's.
2C
Please give an example of this. Are you including the $50 transfer fee to be over retail?Quote:
Originally Posted by MuzzleFlash
I am only on my 2nd can and my 3rd NFA purchase so you definitely have more experience than me. I am also not sure what Jensen's would have charged me if I had bought the can directly from SWR's distributor. I know they did charge me exactly what Henry from www.Title2.com (SWR's distributor) charges for the same can, unfortunately SWR does not publish their retail prices for a reference.
The only other class 3 dealer I have dealt with was Oliver from Iron Ridge Guns in Longmont. He did charge me $150 to transfer a can I bought from out of state. I thought this seemed kind of high, but I only knew of him and Cal's when I did my transfer.
Anyway, it seems like you have a lot more experience in this area so I will tip my hat and concede to you. 2ndChildhood I would listen to MuzzleFlash if I were you.
BTW that is a good price on the Blackside, have you heard if it really does cycle well without a booster?
MPfiveengineer
Yes I'm including the fee in the "over retail" statement. I don't know how much experience I have, I'm just a cheap bastard. :)
The Blackside is definitely quiet. It was demoed at the Uzitalk.com shoot in SLC along with several other suppressors. They had it on an H&K pistol. I've heard .45 cans before and have always found them lacking - even wet. This one was noticably better. I didn't enquire as to what artificial environment they were using. There wasn't any smoke. Perhaps it was that CCF stuff that everyone raves about.
The ones I have seen came shipped with some kind of blue grease. However I HERD that it will not cycle the action on a USP Tactical.
The best artificial environment I have used is the cheap $5 a quart wire pulling gel from Home Depot. I HERD the CCF stuff is a waste of $
UZI? Did I hear "UZI"? :roll: Ummm, whatcha wanna know? :twisted: Karl residentexpertontheworldsfinestfirearm Mann.