Bar incident last night - what would you do?

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Originally Posted by HunterCO

As far as drinking and carrying it depends on your definition of drinking. If I go out to dinner and have a drink with dinner, or stop at a biker bar to have lunch while out riding my harley and have a couple of beers I carry. If on the other hand I was to go out to a bar to drink with some freinds and party then I will not carry.

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Good to know, Hunter. I know Colorado law doesn't specify any penalty for drinking and carrying, and it is something that concerns most of us. I only had two beers with dinner, so it certainly wasn't a night of drinking, and I do believe I'll continue to carry when drinking in moderation (beer with lunch, wine with dinner, etc.).

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Originally Posted by JohnTRourke

stop drinking, or at least stop going to bars
good things don't happen in bars. :cry:

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Neither of those things are likely to happen any time soon, unfortunately. I do try to limit my time at bars as much as possible, but they're not completely unavoidable when you're single in a college town...

Edit: Not "single", but not married, either...

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Originally Posted by NickB

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Originally Posted by HunterCO

As far as drinking and carrying it depends on your definition of drinking. If I go out to dinner and have a drink with dinner, or stop at a biker bar to have lunch while out riding my harley and have a couple of beers I carry. If on the other hand I was to go out to a bar to drink with some freinds and party then I will not carry.

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Good to know, Hunter. I know Colorado law doesn't specify any penalty for drinking and carrying, and it is something that concerns most of us. I only had two beers with dinner, so it certainly wasn't a night of drinking, and I do believe I'll continue to carry when drinking in moderation (beer with lunch, wine with dinner, etc.).

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18-12-106 Prohibited Use of Weapons

1. A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if:

a) He knowingly and unlawfully aims a firearm at another person; or

b) Recklessly or with criminal negligence he discharges a firearm or shoots a bow and arrow; or

c) He knowingly sets a loaded gun, trap, or device designed to cause an explosion upon being tripped or approached, and leaves it unattended by a competent person immediately present; or

d) The person has in his or her possession a firearm while the person is under the influence of intoxicating liquor or of a controlled substance, as defined in section 12-22-303 (7), C.R.S. Possession of a permit issued under section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or possession of a permit or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to Part 2 of this article is no defense to a violation of this subsection (1).

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Is "under the influence" defined? I was told during my CCW class that ANY alcohol in your system is considered "under the influence" when pertaining to firearms.

You done good NickB.


At least you know those guys saw you walk away with a lady they thought was on the 'better looking' side of the spectrum :mrgreen:

Very disrespectful to the ladies they were sitting with though [poke]

Kyle

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Originally Posted by WillysWagon

You done good NickB.


At least you know those guys saw you walk away with a lady they thought was on the 'better looking' side of the spectrum :mrgreen:

Very disrespectful to the ladies they were sitting with though [poke]

Kyle

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That's exactly what I was going to say. Had they followed you out and started shit, though, then there would be problems.

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Originally Posted by newracer

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Originally Posted by NickB

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Originally Posted by HunterCO

As far as drinking and carrying it depends on your definition of drinking. If I go out to dinner and have a drink with dinner, or stop at a biker bar to have lunch while out riding my harley and have a couple of beers I carry. If on the other hand I was to go out to a bar to drink with some freinds and party then I will not carry.

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Good to know, Hunter. I know Colorado law doesn't specify any penalty for drinking and carrying, and it is something that concerns most of us. I only had two beers with dinner, so it certainly wasn't a night of drinking, and I do believe I'll continue to carry when drinking in moderation (beer with lunch, wine with dinner, etc.).

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18-12-106 Prohibited Use of Weapons

1. A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if:

a) He knowingly and unlawfully aims a firearm at another person; or

b) Recklessly or with criminal negligence he discharges a firearm or shoots a bow and arrow; or

c) He knowingly sets a loaded gun, trap, or device designed to cause an explosion upon being tripped or approached, and leaves it unattended by a competent person immediately present; or

d) The person has in his or her possession a firearm while the person is under the influence of intoxicating liquor or of a controlled substance, as defined in section 12-22-303 (7), C.R.S. Possession of a permit issued under section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or possession of a permit or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to Part 2 of this article is no defense to a violation of this subsection (1).

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Is "under the influence" defined? I was told during my CCW class that ANY alcohol in your system is considered "under the influence" when pertaining to firearms.

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God...I'm ashamed of myself. I even knew that. I don't know where my brain fart came from...I even had this conversation with my father (a LEO) last week...

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Originally Posted by newracer

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Originally Posted by NickB

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Originally Posted by HunterCO

As far as drinking and carrying it depends on your definition of drinking. If I go out to dinner and have a drink with dinner, or stop at a biker bar to have lunch while out riding my harley and have a couple of beers I carry. If on the other hand I was to go out to a bar to drink with some freinds and party then I will not carry.

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Good to know, Hunter. I know Colorado law doesn't specify any penalty for drinking and carrying, and it is something that concerns most of us. I only had two beers with dinner, so it certainly wasn't a night of drinking, and I do believe I'll continue to carry when drinking in moderation (beer with lunch, wine with dinner, etc.).

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Actually it does

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18-12-106 Prohibited Use of Weapons

1. A person commits a class 2 misdemeanor if:

a) He knowingly and unlawfully aims a firearm at another person; or

b) Recklessly or with criminal negligence he discharges a firearm or shoots a bow and arrow; or

c) He knowingly sets a loaded gun, trap, or device designed to cause an explosion upon being tripped or approached, and leaves it unattended by a competent person immediately present; or

d) The person has in his or her possession a firearm while the person is under the influence of intoxicating liquor or of a controlled substance, as defined in section 12-22-303 (7), C.R.S. Possession of a permit issued under section 18-12-105.1, as it existed prior to its repeal, or possession of a permit or a temporary emergency permit issued pursuant to Part 2 of this article is no defense to a violation of this subsection (1).

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Is "under the influence" defined? I was told during my CCW class that ANY alcohol in your system is considered "under the influence" when pertaining to firearms.

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I am well aware of what the law says I have a binder with every statue in the state of Colorado regarding firearms. I am not going to argue it my advice is to talk to an attorney not a CCW instructor.

If that was the case then anybody with a cold that takes Nyquil for instance better not carry. :roll:

I will continue to carry as I have been doing for about 7 years now with out a single problem.

Kudos for keeping your cool NickB. Only thing I mighta done differently, since these guys were obviously looking for trouble from your account, is tell the restaurant/bar manager about it on my way out. If it's a place you like to go and have never seen these jerks there before, having 'em kicked out/cut off might keep 'em away in the future.

Had some troublemakers in the bar I worked at in Chicago a few times, and both instances I'm thinking about ended with them getting kicked out (ok yes, I helped with that part). Never saw 'em again and I was there for 3 years. Just my two pennies.

Be careful when you're in Lakewood. The last I knew there was a city law that states you can't carry in a place that serves alcohol.

I'm not worried about getting caught with a gun on me when I'm having a drink with dinner. I'm worried about the repurcussions if I happen to need to use my gun while having a drink with dinner. Is it treated the same as drinking and driving or am I screwed if they somehow know that I'd been drinking?

Hunter, you can carry for years and never need to use it. It wouldn't even be hard to get away with carrying without a permit the entire time. It's when you actually have to use it that you get into trouble.

I think you did the right thing by walking away, I know I would have had a hard time doing that, pride is a bitch.

This is also why I avoid bars and don't drink, I never got anything but trouble from both.