Battle Comp

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Originally Posted by Mick-Boy

If it works for your purposes then drive on. The flash and concussion wasn't worth the 5 or 10 hundredths of a second I was gaining on split times. I didn't/don't even want to imagine having to deal with it during a protracted engagement in hallways and rooms. I want to be able to hear when I get old.

I completely agree it works well on a full auto gun. But since I believe in being accountable for every round that leaves my muzzle I have never put a carbine on auto in a fight. I completely disagree that it shines on an SBR but again, if it's working for your purposes...

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I can agree with a lot you're saying, but it comes down again to preference.

I don't own F.A, nor do I desire to own one, if I did then a B.C woul be on it.

I knew about the B.C WAY before I ever decided to put one on, I always wanted good shooting fundamentals so I could notice it. I think a lot of guys think that it makes them a better shooter which is completely false for obvious reasons, I also watch a lot of guys slapping the trigger and losing good fundamentals thinking its gonna compensate for it.

As far as shooting in a hallway goes, that's the last place I would want to be in an engagement an I'm pretty sure I would move, that of course, comes SECOND to the fact that if I WAS in a gunfight, my hearing would be the last thing I was thinking of. I'll just rely on our little friend "Auditory exclusion".

We don't know how one another shoots or what works best, it's preference, all I'm satin is I don't think we can discourage people from using different things simply because we're "uncomfortable" with it ourselves, we don't know the intended application.

We are all victims of our frame of reference.

I would caution people from counting on auditory exclusion to occur. For some it may. For me it does not.

I work in a team environment with a large part of our job occurring in cities and using civilian vehicles to move. Fighting in and from houses, cars and alleys is a fact of life. Having a muzzle device deafening the man to my left or right (or myself) is not going to make my job easier, no matter how effectively it works as a comp. It's not about being "uncomfortable" with the gear. It's about gear that makes me and mine less effective in our mission.

I live and work in a land of big boy rules. Clearly understanding your mission priorities and selecting equipment to stack the deck in your favor is an individual responsibility. As I said, if it works for you, drive on. For my use the Battlecomp had a lot of costs for very little payout. Therefore I do discourage people with similar parameters (most rifle work is interior/in vehicles) from using the Battlecomp. But again, big boy rules. Find what works for you and charlie mike.

mick-boy what are you running....a2 flashhider?

A2s and Surefire flash hiders.

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Originally Posted by Mick-Boy

We are all victims of our frame of reference.

I would caution people from counting on auditory exclusion to occur. For some it may. For me it does not.

I work in a team environment with a large part of our job occurring in cities and using civilian vehicles to move. Fighting in and from houses, cars and alleys is a fact of life. Having a muzzle device deafening the man to my left or right (or myself) is not going to make my job easier, no matter how effectively it works as a comp. It's not about being "uncomfortable" with the gear. It's about gear that makes me and mine less effective in our mission.

I live and work in a land of big boy rules. Clearly understanding your mission priorities and selecting equipment to stack the deck in your favor is an individual responsibility. As I said, if it works for you, drive on. For my use the Battlecomp had a lot of costs for very little payout. Therefore I do discourage people with similar parameters (most rifle work is interior/in vehicles) from using the Battlecomp. But again, big boy rules. Find what works for you and charlie mike.

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This is why I mostly agree with you, I however, dont stack up, I dont have anyone to my right or left and I dont work inside like you.

Its just me.

I was half joking with the Auditory Exclusion thing. Just somethin I say messin around.

The A2 is my favorite hands down, especially for a fighting carbine. THtas what I run on the Kino, a rifle I BUILT around a combat rifle.

The concusion on that thing is no joke too, its a teeth rattler.

Have you ever used a LeVang comp or tried the Claymore?

I've got a levang on a 10.5in upper. It seems to work to direct the muzzle blast but I want to have the ability to mount a can.

I think you and I mostly agree, were just talking past each other.

I don't think the BC is a bad product. I just know that for my uses it has more cost than benefit.

For people that do anything remotely similar to what I do, my belief is that the BC is not a good choice.

At the end of the day I just want to see good guys use everything they can to stack the desk in their favor so that when things go sideways good guys go home and bad guys bleed out.

[Beer]

"When things go sideways good guys go home and bad guys bleed out."

Now that there is a signature line if I ever read one. [Beer]

Run BCs on teaching guns, not on the work guns...although tempted to throw one on a SAW.

What's your thought process on using different setups for work and training?

1) DoS regs...just can't run a BC or anything not approved yet on their guns. The SAW may be exempted since we don't run Sims through it.

2) When teaching, I like to tailor my set up to what the student's will most likely be using, ie... never taught a CCW/civilian course in a drop rig, won't run a SWAT school in jeans & concealment gear. As the BC is designed by and for entry teams, I have it available for them to run & test to determine for themselves if it is a viable option.

I do keep some commonality between my training guns & work guns. Teaching gun is more of a T&E platform.