So, if it really does 'hit the fan'..

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Originally Posted by netsecsys

They will be going off of Form 4473 lists first.

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Good in theory but there was that huge boating accident with most of the COAR15 members. Lots of guns unaccounted for.

I need to buy the guy that came up with that Line a beer.

Yes that tragic boating incident... I will never forget it...

Too many of us; too few of them (Good luck with that!).

If you are a sheep, then expect to be preyed upon. If you are wolf, you will be left alone (except by other wolves of course).

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Originally Posted by brianut

I would love to believe that all of the paper work is destroyed after a check and that they only use my info to see if I am bad or good, and don't keep the info on file but I think that is a bit naieve.

There is a reason it is on the form, not just for grins me thinks.

http://www.atf.gov/forms/download/atf-f-4473-1.pdf

top of page 3, questions 26-30.
26-manufacturer or importer
27-model
28-serial number
29-type (pistol, shotgun, rifle)
30-caliber or gauge

My opinion for whats it's worth is, there are many other people they will be after long before they come looking for me and other people who have made "normal" purchases on a 4473.
I figure the full auto,SBR,SBS, supressor guys will be on the top of the "go visit them first" list, then possibly the ccw lists then go through and check up on all the 4473 forms.
With this being still somewhat of a free state allowing FTF private party sales a lot of the guns bought on 4473 will no longer be in the possesion of those individuals.

Also I would hope that the people of this country would stand up and fight against that type of collecting of firearms, but sadly as most of us know it won't likely go down that way.

As for the data collection, yup we are all in a system somewhere, scary to think.
For me I think all guns are evil and after my boat accident last year where I lost all mine, I decided I didn't want to buy more I just donated the insurance claim to peta and the sierra club.[Beer]

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You obviously do not understand a 4473 call in procedure.
They ask for name, DOB, Soc if given, Address, DL #
LONG GUN, HAND GUN OTHER.
NO SERIAL NUMBER, MAKE MODEL OR MFG INFO IS EVER ASKED.
YES That info is there to validate sale and transfer of firearm from ffl - purchaser. YES The info is on the 4473 AND YES the feds can AUDIT a FFL and review the 4473's.
UNTIL THE TIME AN AUDIT or other issues where they need to access 447'3 no one out side the ffl ever sees said info.

I am sure i left 1 item off the CBI info list however i do not have a 4473 in front of me, well not as of this morning:)
REGARDING NFA ITEMS To date not 1 ATF agent has contacted me (other than for approval) To see where i store my NFA items. Or is there anyone i know with NFA items (i know a few) who have ever been contacted either.

The .gov will be too busy doing damage control and shoring up what ever is left of the USA to be bothered with your guns. Once the dust settles who knows, providing DC W.VA and other .gov clusters, are still standing.

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Originally Posted by CO303

Does anyone really believe these ass hats could get this done? They can't do anything else. As far as the neighbors go, just kill them, feed them to the dogs, burn down their homes and capitalize their property for farming. It may not be politically correct but it is an effective and usable strategy.

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I sure hope you're not my neighbor.

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Originally Posted by Sawin

I sure hope you're not my neighbor.

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I was actually worried more about this guy -

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Originally Posted by dwalker460

Personally I have a strong moral flexibility. Not only will I defend me and mine, I will take what is necessary if the choice is my families survival.

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Originally Posted by jhood001

I was actually worried more about this guy -

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Nah, I think if you're honest with yourself, you'd have the same mindset he (aggressively) stated. I'm sure you would be more willing to go to drastic measures to ensure the lives and safety of your family, than you're readily willing to admit. Hell you already are. You own GUNS! OMG WTF. [ROFL1]

His position is that of the majority of the world, which is the whole reason why civil unrest is of concern to folks.

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Originally Posted by tmckay2

oh please, come on people, think about this for a minute. you really think if things get that bad the government is going to the organizational ability and time to go door to door to gun owners homes to confiscate their arms? give me a break. the amount of man power would be unbelievable, plus as stated those that work for the government have families too to care for. if things were THAT bad theyd leave the force and go home to take care of their own. the only possible time this sort of thing would happen EVER is if everything in the country is mostly normal and the government has just taken enough power to do such a thing without the populace being outraged. which also isn't likely. besides, everyone has had at least one boating accident in their lives.

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This is not going to be 'random', this would be an in-place objective. That's why I think its more a long term issue. I don't think the economy collapses like 1929. Too dangerous for the power brokers.

From what I hear if you get caught with a DUI or ganji, they can/will be pulling your firearms. Didn't see that here though.

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Originally Posted by rocktot

This is not going to be 'random', this would be an in-place objective. That's why I think its more a long term issue. I don't think the economy collapses like 1929. Too dangerous for the power brokers.

From what I hear if you get caught with a DUI or ganji, they can/will be pulling your firearms. Didn't see that here though.

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Mental health... It has happened many times. They declared you are unstable then you must give up your arms.

http://www.ag.ca.gov/firearms/dwcl/8100.php

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Originally Posted by Sawin

Nah, I think if you're honest with yourself, you'd have the same mindset he (aggressively) stated. I'm sure you would be more willing to go to drastic measures to ensure the lives and safety of your family, than you're readily willing to admit. Hell you already are. You own GUNS! OMG WTF. [ROFL1]

His position is that of the majority of the world, which is the whole reason why civil unrest is of concern to folks.

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I dont think my mindset is that of the majority of the world to be honest. My personal observation is that most people want to be told what to do and have someone else make sure they are kept safe and secure. My Mindset is a little opposite of that, in that I believe my first obligation is to my family, then somewhere far down the list is society.