striker fired pistols.. best out right now.

As for how they fit in your hand... polymer is malleable with the proper amount of heat. I reshaped the grip on my 19 and it was actually very easy.

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Originally Posted by Irving

CZ makes great guns. None with cheap mags, and most aren't striker fired though.

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shows you what I know about CZ right?? ok, so thinking I will pass on CZ this buying cycle, educate myself and see if I can find one for a few mags of trigger time.
always next year. :-)

just checked the price on HK vp9 mags.. ouch $47-50 before shipping x4 $200 puts this at about $960

cost is important but, the feel is critical, nothing sells a gun like trigger time, when you just go WOW that fits my hand so nice..
at that point I have to look at price and say gits like a glove? $xxx more??

I think I need to shoot the g19, the M&P, and if possible the PPQ, and HK
the PPQ is basicly the same look and style as the HK, but supposedly with the best stock striker fired trigger..

please Ray let me know, I will help feed your HK through break in.. :-)

Well this old 1911 guy is now a converted M&P fan, got a screaming deal on a used/unfired a few months back after having a Compact for over a year. A friend does textured backstraps, put on the Ameriglo "i dot" sights and the Apex duty/carry kit. Ran it through 2 classes and carry it almost every day. Green Mountain Guns had a bunch of the 15rd mags a couple of weeks ago too.

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Originally Posted by KS63

Any particular reason why only striker fired? Seems like a good, crips trigger with a short reset quite important to you (it is for me) and hammer fired pistols tend to have "better" trigger attributes. Every one of the mentioned pistols have Negatives. What's most important to you? If it's a great trigger-1911 all the way. Reliability, parts availability, decent $$-Glock. The best polymer pistol that I've shot is a CZ P 07. Bought it for $440, (2) 15rd mags with a decent DA/SA hammer fire trigger that's upgradable. I'll throw $$ all day long at a weapon that suits me.

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I have a 1911 that is a custom assembly of milspec parts had it for 20+ years now and I love it, will not sell it for nothing, but it has lost the, weight, round count, battle so its a home defense/ range gun now.
for the longest time I avoided striker fired because they where so far away from where the trigger on my 1911 was, and the grip did not feel good, a few years ago I picked up a XDm compact 9mm at Tanners and was instantly sold. it just felt "right" the trigger was good for a striker, and as expected it has smoothed some with rounds and dry firing, this is my carry gun. Now i want another 9mm, to attach a light to, for home defense and to use for classes.

I initially thought striker fired, for simplicity, they are the essence of easy, and its my belief that this is where the market is moving in spades.. for a tactical gun, I don't really want to modify it very much. I want to keep it mostly stock, so if I ever have to defense my actions in court the firearm is a nonstarter.

I will look into the CZ's just never held or shot one before

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Originally Posted by sellersm

Tim, you've received great advice and have a good summary. Bottom line, as you mentioned, is how it fits you. No good way to fix a gun that doesn't naturally point well in your hand.

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Best advice in this whole thread.

Glocks work for me, but they might not work for you. Don't get all bent out of shape over it. [Beer]

I recently held the HK VP9 and it has a different feel them my HK P30. Super comfy and I would put the ergos on par with the Walther, but I'd give the nod to the Walther for the better trigger.

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just checked the price on HK vp9 mags.. ouch $47-50 before shipping x4 $200 puts this at about $960

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$42.99 ($3.99 shipping) Look for P30 mags, same thing
http://www.midwayusa.com/product/239...ger-steel-blue

PPQ mags are about the same. XDm mags are about $3 cheaper. M&P/Glock mags will be about $10 cheaper but your M&P will be harder to source because they are evil (but not imposable to get)

So your looking at roughly $40(ish) difference worst case for 4 mags. Well worth it if it's a better pistol for you.

Also you can find the VP9 for $599 (+tax) so your looking at more like $800 total not $960

Since the 1911 has been brought up, here's my take on a few of the polymer/striker fired pieces in comparison.

For me at least.....

The XD/XDM platform points and feels very 1911 like. Even has the grip safety. With some of the aftermarket trigger parts available, you can get a trigger with little take up, over travel, and reset.

The M&P also has a similar grip angle and points like a 1911 to me. The Apex trigger stuff is pretty nice but other than their forward set sear kit you will still have a fair amount of take up but a decent break and little over travel and a short reset.

The Glock has a totally different grip angle and points totally different than the others. You will also have a fair amount of trigger take up even with the replacement connectors. There are replacement triggers that will be better if you don't mind spending a decent amount to get them.

This is all my own personal opinion and your mileage may vary.

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As for how they fit in your hand... polymer is malleable with the proper amount of heat. I reshaped the grip on my 19 and it was actually very easy.

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what are the limits to actually reshaping?

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Best advice in this whole thread.
glocks work for me, but they might not work for you. Don't get all bent out of shape over it. [Beer]

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+1
that is the next phase, I am building my list of what to test fire.