RANT against Craigslist ad. Tell me this isnt one of you. Land Owner tag realted.

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Originally Posted by sniper7

I think this bill should not be passed as well. The DOW and the biologists should make the decisions, not some misinformed fuckstain beurocrats that do not listen to logic or reason when it comes to constitutional rights. How are they going to decide something on that which they don't listen to the experts.

The DOW was amazing at its job before they were forced to join with the parks. The parks were always in the Red. The DOW was always in the black.

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Agreed.

It's sad that we have a bunch of anti-gun dick-bobs who think the wilderness is that 1/3 acre lot their house sits on or the park acroos the street from their condo, are the ones making these decisions. It should be the DOW, biologists AND landowners working together to come up with a viable plan.

Growing up in MT we had land and were subject to deer and elk damaging fences, eating crops, tearing up crops and soil during rut. It's amazing what damage a herd of 20-50 deer or elk can cause overnight.

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What they call "hunting" down south is called "baiting" up north and is banned. As it should be. Sitting in a blind 50 yards from a corn fedder is not hunting.

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Really. So is sitting in a blind over a water hole waiting for antelope to come drink not hunting either? What about sitting over bait for bear. What about shooting a treed mtn. lion? Just because it's not YOUR way of hunting, ya gotta be careful about pointing fingers at how someone else chooses to "hunt".
Some like to hunt with long range rifles and kill at 1000 yards, and some like to get with-in 20 yards with a stick and string. Both methods of hunting, although some don't like one or the other.

Damn, this hunting thing is complex and confusing! I've never hunted big game, just some bird hunting as a young'un back in OK.

I'd really like to get just ONE deer before I croak, just so I can say I did it and enjoy some venison like everyone else. But man, all the rules and regulations - I don't know which way to turn or where to start. And I REFUSE to pay huge money for an outfitter or guide, that kinda defeats the whole idea IMO.

Guess I need to find a Parks and Wildlife office and get some guidance.

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Originally Posted by TRnCO

Really. So is sitting in a blind over a water hole waiting for antelope to come drink not hunting either? What about sitting over bait for bear. What about shooting a treed mtn. lion? Just because it's not YOUR way of hunting, ya gotta be careful about pointing fingers at how someone else chooses to "hunt".
Some like to hunt with long range rifles and kill at 1000 yards, and some like to get with-in 20 yards with a stick and string. Both methods of hunting, although some don't like one or the other.

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Actually hunting over bait in co is illegal unless it changed this year

True.. I used the example to simply point out that there's more than one way to skin and cat, and just because you may not like how someone else does it doesn't make it "wrong", just different.

Holy shit Ron, I totally forgot about you. You will be killing a deer this year out here.

I can't speak for all the wardens, but mine is the bomb. Casey not only has his shit in one pile, he keeps it covered. East of Parker we have a glut of mule deer. On ten acres I will have anywhere from 10-50 go through our pasture in a day. Our top was right at 80. Does are now having triplets. If the wildlife has a financial impact on your business, you might be able to get depredation tags (might be called management tags now). One of my neighbors and I get some each year to control doe populations. It appears in the new regs that over the counter doe tags are unlimited in this area. With the herds out here a few hundred less deer would really help the gene pool. Casey mentioned that they have seen mega herds of 100 plus when they did the helicopter survey. As landowners we need to be proactive in game management, the wardens seem to have a feel for problem areas and what needs to be done, certainly worth a call to talk to them anyway.
Like many others, I have lots of anxiety over the merge of DOW and Parks. I know of some ranger ricks from some nearby lakes that I don't want interpreting hunting laws and how they apply to me. They might want to measure my blaze orange.
And screagle, you know not everyone is trespassers, they are out there and I think we all hate them. Most hunters I have run into are very respectful of private property, but I do understand the sentiment. Same as having your car or house broken into, kinda makes you wonder if you could make your hot wire 110 volt???

I can see both sides of the civil part of this debate. Given the lack of public land in eastern Colorado I am going to Wyoming this year for Antelope. Leftover tags are cheap.

I'm with ya,lol

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Originally Posted by William

I can see both sides of the civil part of this debate. Given the lack of public land in eastern Colorado I am going to Wyoming this year for Antelope. Leftover tags are cheap.

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Originally Posted by sniper7

I think this bill should not be passed as well. The DOW and the biologists should make the decisions, not some misinformed fuckstain beurocrats that do not listen to logic or reason when it comes to constitutional rights. How are they going to decide something on that which they don't listen to the experts.

The DOW was amazing at its job before they were forced to join with the parks. The parks were always in the Red. The DOW was always in the black.

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I agree that DOW/CPW and the biologists should make the decision, and i have no idea if they were in the crafting of this bill. What i do know is, however they messed up the draw a few years back seems to give a lot more preference to out of staters. I think if this bill passes there should also be another that gives less preference to the out of staters in the draw and pumps more money into the pockets of the people that "own" the game, the residents of Colorado. In such a Denver-centric political atmosphere we are in i think this finally does something for the people that live in rural Colorado. A lot of the farmers and ranches make enough to scrape by and even if they do not sell their tags for a lot they are still making extra money through the tags and less property maintenance for non essential things like upgrading the farm truck that has started to cost a lot in maintenance, buy something nice for the kids or wife, etc etc. The 5% in the mountains is not a huge change all things considered and a 10% change in the plains may give us an even better chance to hunt where good public lands are hard to come by.

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Originally Posted by William

I can see both sides of the civil part of this debate. Given the lack of public land in eastern Colorado I am going to Wyoming this year for Antelope. Leftover tags are cheap.

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Cheap, and they've opened up some mule deer doe tags this year. I have a rancher who wants some killed off his land, so I'll be heading back there.