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    Quote Originally Posted by arbol View Post
    It wears on me that I am relying on a manufacturer of guns to tell me it is safe to carry this loaded, chambered, striker fired, gun, on my person. This is basic buyer beware type behavior, and since I cannot prove to myself that I am 100% safe in doing this, I choose to carry unchambered.

    There are also "oopsie" moments, etc.

    The way I carry, neither of those cases will happen to me, and like someone above said, I still am carrying, if not with immediate availability
    My full feelings would break forum rules, but suffice to say, there is a lot of cops, security, and otherwise armed people that would get a good laugh about this. Maybe guns are small enough part of your life you can't trust yourself or believe in some pretty big leaps in mechanical failures. I think it's one thing to argue wanting a safety and I let those go, carrying unchambered....
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    Quote Originally Posted by fitz19d View Post
    My full feelings would break forum rules, but suffice to say, there is a lot of cops, security, and otherwise armed people that would get a good laugh about this. Maybe guns are small enough part of your life you can't trust yourself or believe in some pretty big leaps in mechanical failures. I think it's one thing to argue wanting a safety and I let those go, carrying unchambered....
    Compared to people that are using guns as a tool, every day, yes, guns are a small part of my life. However, I carry guns every day. Can you not find a balance between someone who is using guns as an active tool, in their day to day job, and someone that is using guns as a form of self defense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by arbol View Post
    Compared to people that are using guns as a tool, every day, yes, guns are a small part of my life. However, I carry guns every day. Can you not find a balance between someone who is using guns as an active tool, in their day to day job, and someone that is using guns as a form of self defense?
    Sure there's a difference, but unless you are a take the gun out on special occasions and otherwise a closet/bedside safe queen, I find carrying unchambered practically negligent. (I hate safeties as well but at least they are pretty negligible slow down with practice) Racking before being in the game not only costs you crucial time in an appreciable quantity, it is a liability in a sense because now if it does make the difference, the threat has another weapon (especially if you were drawing against someone with a knife or something). Watch Policeactivity video's and the like (raw bodycam type footage w/ out commentary) Not all of those situations are applicable, but there's enough that demonstrate having both hands free could be questionable especially if someone's in your face already.

    It's no skin off my back at the end of the day, but my frustration is out of concern for those doing that potentially costing themselves. I think if you carry you should be able to have the confidence and attentiveness to not have a ND, and if still concerned, opt for a gun with a easily swept safety.

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