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    I have/had a handful of M&P in different calibers and revisions, no issues at all. After trying my first one side-by-side with a Glock years ago at the range I changed over immediately.

    Never had one with an external safety, to me those are unnecessary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martinjmpr View Post
    I'm toying with the thought of jumping off the Glock/plastic pistol bandwagon. Currently have a G17.

    I'm trying to think of what 9mm handgun might fit into this description (if any):

    1. All metal (preferably all steel but alloy frame might be acceptable)
    2. Reliable and common (i.e. I can find a magazine or other repair part for it if I need it)
    3. Double-action only, with or without external safety
    4. Big enough to fit my big hand (the G17 fits just fine) but also able to carry concealed if needed. Mag capacity can be anything over 7 rounds so single-stack is OK.

    I think requirements 3 and 4 are going to be tough to find. I know some of the older S&W stainless steel semi auto pistols were DA only - I want to say the 5946?

    Weren't there also versions of the Sig P226 that were DA only? Or am I thinking of a different gun?

    Thanks in advance!

    EDIT: How about the Sig P228? Isn't this the same pistol the US Military adopted as the M11? From what I've seen on GB these are available in DAO. How are they in terms of reliability?
    This one comes the closest

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    There are dao sig 226 factory guns. You can also swap the parts in any 226

    228 is a mid size gun think g19. If you like a g17 you're equivalent in sig is a 226.

    Reliability is good. 229 is a 228 with a milled slide. 228 has stamped slides.
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    I guess I should explain why I posted this question: I'm approaching retirement (within the next 18 months) which means moving out of the Denver area and that means asking myself what I need to get rid of vs. having to haul stuff to my next residence.

    When I look at my gun safe, I see a lot of redundancy. I definitely want to keep a 9mm just because ammo is (reasonably) easy to find for it. But I have both the Glock 17 and the S&W Shield 9 . The Glock easy to shoot but it's huge and difficult to conceal. The S&W is concealable but not as much fun to shoot. So I'm wondering if there's a kind of "happy medium" that falls between those two extremes, one gun that can replace both the Glock and the S&W. IOW, something big enough in my hand to be comfortable and accurate to shoot, but also small enough to be concealable (which I why I was thinking of a single-stack magazine.)

    As far as the metal frame goes, I'm just thinking I'd like something more "traditional" than a polymer-frame gun. I'm not dead-set on a metal (steel or aluminum) frame but it is my preference at this point.

    I'd definitely want to stick to a relatively "common" gun, something that's been in production for a long time, just because that makes it easier to get magazines, holsters, etc.

    At this point I'm not ruling anything out, just want to know what's out there that I may not have considered.
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    It's not DA, but what experience have folks had with the Springfield Armory "Range Officer" 9mm and similar SA guns? It's got a Commander-length slide, all steel frame, etc.

    Single stack 9mm that should be big enough to fill my hand but also thin enough to be a reasonably concealable pistol in a waistband. Magazine and holsters should be widely available.
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    Beretta 92D
    Sig P250
    Sig P290
    HK P30

    Not all of these are traditional steel frame and slide options, but they are not bad guns if your hard up for a DAO handgun.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Martinjmpr View Post
    When I look at my gun safe, I see a lot of redundancy. I definitely want to keep a 9mm just because ammo is (reasonably) easy to find for it. But I have both the Glock 17 and the S&W Shield 9 . The Glock easy to shoot but it's huge and difficult to conceal. The S&W is concealable but not as much fun to shoot. So I'm wondering if there's a kind of "happy medium" that falls between those two extremes, one gun that can replace both the Glock and the S&W. IOW, something big enough in my hand to be comfortable and accurate to shoot, but also small enough to be concealable (which I why I was thinking of a single-stack magazine.)

    As far as the metal frame goes, I'm just thinking I'd like something more "traditional" than a polymer-frame gun. I'm not dead-set on a metal (steel or aluminum) frame but it is my preference at this point.
    I was jumping in to toss a vote for the Sig 226/228 based off of your original post.

    Based off of the post I quoted above, it isn?t sexy and doesn?t meet the criteria of your original post but a Glock 19 is hard to beat for practically and definitely slots somewhere between your 17 and the shield.

    If you insist on a metal frame CZ might have some options for you as well. I like my Sigs but they are chunky pigs and I don?t really like to carry them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ray1970 View Post
    I like my Sigs but they are chunky pigs and I don?t really like to carry them.
    Yeah, after I posted this I forgot that I have an Air Soft P226 that I bought in Korea in 2000. It's the exact size of a real 226 and when I handled it I thought "this IS a fat gun."

    I've never been a 1911 fanboi (nothing against them but I think there are better designs out there) but they are nice and slim.

    Doesn't Dan Wesson make some nice 1911 style guns? Definitely sticking with 9mm though.
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    CZ SP01 or P01 models. Essentially a modern model of the CZ75. Repair kits are not as easy to find as Glock/S&W/SIG but they are out there.

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    If you're stuck on single stack metal framed the sig in question is the p225. Can be made dao with a hammer change.

    1911s are very nice to shoot but have lots of pointy bits to snag clothing during ccw.

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