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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingman View Post
    If Colorado enforces this magazine ban like other states enforced theirs, then repair of preban magazines should still be completely legal. The solution to getting the colored magazines you want will be to simply rebuild your preban magazines with new bodies and floorplates in the desired color.
    So we'll be able to replace the mag bodies even though they'll be dated stamped after the law goes into effect. In other states, can you replace every part making it a completely new magazine? I guess only time will tell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidicarus13 View Post
    So we'll be able to replace the mag bodies even though they'll be dated stamped after the law goes into effect. In other states, can you replace every part making it a completely new magazine? I guess only time will tell.
    You can in California. There are a good number of online retailers who even sell a full "rebuild kit."
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidicarus13 View Post
    So we'll be able to replace the mag bodies even though they'll be dated stamped after the law goes into effect. In other states, can you replace every part making it a completely new magazine? I guess only time will tell.
    That is exactly what the situation is in California. You can replace every single part of your old magazine with new parts and it is still legally your old magazine. To be legal you have to do the replacement in stages, so if zero parts were interchangeable between magazines it wouldn't work. But say you had a preban USGI magazine. You could take it apart, keep the spring, and then rebuild the magazine around that spring with a PMAG body, follower, and baseplate. You could then rebuild that magazine by putting the PMAG spring into it. You end up with a 100% new PMAG magazine in a configuration that didn't exist before the ban, that is legally considered preban.

    A big difference between California and Colorado is that they have the CalGuns Foundation and we have nothing remotely similar. CGF isn't really a lobbying organization like RMGO, they are more of a legal advocacy group for the right to bear arms. CGF has been behind forcing courts and the DOJ to clarify what exactly the law means, and then advising the California gun community how they can fully exercise their rights and stay within the law. CGF also makes a sort of "implied promise" that if someone follows CGF recommendations and still ends up being prosecuted for breaking the law, then CGF will step forward for their legal defense. Once CGF says something is within the law they will aggressively fight to stop precedent being set anywhere to the contrary in the state.

    CGF doesn't take on everything and they make it clear what their limits are. For example, "open carry" is technically legal in California but CGF doesn't get involved there. It is an area of the law where they don't want to spend their money and time.

    It is largely due to CGF that Californians are able to have AR-15s at all, and largely due to CGF that things like off-list lowers, monsterman grips, bullet buttons, and magazine rebuilds have been figured out.

    Like I wrote, Colorado has nothing that remotely resembles CGF.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ingman View Post
    That is exactly what the situation is in California. You can replace every single part of your old magazine with new parts and it is still legally your old magazine. To be legal you have to do the replacement in stages, so if zero parts were interchangeable between magazines it wouldn't work. But say you had a preban USGI magazine. You could take it apart, keep the spring, and then rebuild the magazine around that spring with a PMAG body, follower, and baseplate. You could then rebuild that magazine by putting the PMAG spring into it. You end up with a 100% new PMAG magazine in a configuration that didn't exist before the ban, that is legally considered preban.

    A big difference between California and Colorado is that they have the CalGuns Foundation and we have nothing remotely similar. CGF isn't really a lobbying organization like RMGO, they are more of a legal advocacy group for the right to bear arms. CGF has been behind forcing courts and the DOJ to clarify what exactly the law means, and then advising the California gun community how they can fully exercise their rights and stay within the law. CGF also makes a sort of "implied promise" that if someone follows CGF recommendations and still ends up being prosecuted for breaking the law, then CGF will step forward for their legal defense. Once CGF says something is within the law they will aggressively fight to stop precedent being set anywhere to the contrary in the state.

    CGF doesn't take on everything and they make it clear what their limits are. For example, "open carry" is technically legal in California but CGF doesn't get involved there. It is an area of the law where they don't want to spend their money and time.

    It is largely due to CGF that Californians are able to have AR-15s at all, and largely due to CGF that things like off-list lowers, monsterman grips, bullet buttons, and magazine rebuilds have been figured out.

    Like I wrote, Colorado has nothing that remotely resembles CGF.
    not to nickpick, but just an FYI, Open carry of a sidearm was recently prohibited in CA. I agree with you CGF is awesome they defended an inlaw of mine pro bono. got him some cash too.

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