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    Default Gun Control Purchased for $10 Million in WA

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    This is what the bad guys are willing to spend to take our rights away. It is not only gun control but total control of every aspect of our lives. $10,000,000 is what the anti-freedom billionaires spent in WA to pass some of the harshest gun control laws in the nation. $10,000,000!!!! When I think of the good that that money could have been used for ...

    It was successful in WA, anybody want to bet that we are in the crosshairs of these elitist A-holes? We stood up on our hind legs and pushed back. They don't like that and they will be coming for us again. They will need to beat us down to show everyone that they are our betters and we must be put in our place at their feet, groveling for the scraps of our lives that they allow us to have.

    What is $10,000,000 to Bloomberg, gates, etc.? Nothing at all. In WA they spent $10,000,000 to pass the bill 60% to 40%. The good guys were able to fight it with about $500,000 from the NRA and whatever else they could raise. I hope that they can get the funding to take this to court and get it overturned.

    http://blog.seattlepi.com/seattlepol...y-9-5-million/
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    It sounds like they spent a lot of money to make background checks mandatory in many instances where they're already mandatory...internet sales. Also, BGCs are already required when purchasing firearms at gun shows from dealers. All this really accomplished is making BGCs mandatory on private sales. Beyond that we already know the extent to which progressives will lie and distort the truth to get what they want.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    It sounds like they spent a lot of money to make background checks mandatory in many instances where they're already mandatory...internet sales. Also, BGCs are already required when purchasing firearms at gun shows from dealers. All this really accomplished is making BGCs mandatory on private sales. Beyond that we already know the extent to which progressives will lie and distort the truth to get what they want.
    I makes it a felony for me to let you shoot my 686 at the range (if we lived in WA). It is a lot more than making BGC's mandatory for private transfers. They will be coming for us as soon as they can refine the process in a couple more "easy" states so they will know exactly what buttons to push in the mob mentality to satisfy their superior egos.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Bailey Guns View Post
    All this really accomplished is making BGCs mandatory on private sales.
    This is exactly what they wanted you to believe. It's ANY kind of transfer. Want to shoot my gun at the range? Sure, let's go to an FFL and transfer it to you. And back to me when we're done. And pay the FFL twice.

    We're about to lose an entire generation of shooters in Washington. Can't transfer a rifle to someone under 18, can't transfer a handgun to someone under 21, putting a gun in their hands at the range == transfer with the new law, game over.

    They know exactly what they're doing. If you can't introduce people to shooting, our numbers will dwindle to the point that they can go after the whole she-bang.

    IMHO What happened in Washington shows that they can, and will buy elections. It negates any 2nd amendment gains we made elsewhere.

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    I had only read the "synopsis". Obviously it didn't give the full story.

    ETA: I'm certainly not defending the passage of the law, either. I just didn't get the whole story on it.
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    Anyone want to post the law as it reads? I'm on a phone with small keys so...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidicarus13 View Post
    Anyone want to post the law as it reads? I'm on a phone with small keys so...
    Here it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kidicarus13 View Post
    Anyone want to post the law as it reads? I'm on a phone with small keys so...
    It's 18 pages long. Here's a link: http://sos.wa.gov/_assets/elections/...alText_483.pdf
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    Excerpts:
    Sec. 2.
    (9) "Firearm" means a weapon or device from which a projectile or
    projectiles may be fired by an explosive such as gunpowder.
    (10) "Gun" has the same meaning as firearm.

    Sec. 3. A new section is added to chapter 9.41 RCW
    to read as follows:
    (1) All firearm sales or transfers, in whole or part in this state
    including without limitation a sale or transfer where either the
    purchaser or seller or transferee or transferor is in Washington,
    shall be subject to background checks unless specifically exempted by
    state or federal law. The background check requirement applies to all
    sales or transfers including, but not limited to, sales and transfers
    through a licensed dealer, at gun shows, online, and between
    unlicensed persons.
    (2) No person shall sell or transfer a firearm unless:
    (a) The person is a licensed dealer;
    (b) The purchaser or transferee is a licensed dealer; or
    (c) The requirements of subsection (3) of this section are met.
    (3) Where neither party to a prospective firearms transaction is a
    licensed dealer, the parties to the transaction shall complete the
    sale or transfer through a licensed dealer as follows:
    (a) The seller or transferor shall deliver the firearm to a
    licensed dealer to process the sale or transfer as if it is selling or
    transferring the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or
    transferee, except that the unlicensed seller or transferor may remove
    the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer while
    the background check is being conducted. If the seller or transferor
    removes the firearm from the business premises of the licensed dealer
    while the background check is being conducted, the purchaser or
    transferee and the seller or transferor shall return to the business
    premises of the licensed dealer and the seller or transferor shall
    again deliver the firearm to the licensed dealer prior to completing
    the sale or transfer.
    (b) Except as provided in (a) of this subsection, the licensed
    dealer shall comply with all requirements of federal and state law
    that would apply if the licensed dealer were selling or transferring
    the firearm from its inventory to the purchaser or transferee,
    including but not limited to conducting a background check on the
    prospective purchaser or transferee in accordance with federal and
    state law requirements and fulfilling all federal and state
    recordkeeping requirements.
    (c) The purchaser or transferee must complete, sign, and submit
    all federal, state, and local forms necessary to process the required
    background check to the licensed dealer conducting the background
    check.
    (d) If the results of the background check indicate that the
    purchaser or transferee is ineligible to possess a firearm, then the
    licensed dealer shall return the firearm to the seller or transferor.
    (e) The licensed dealer may charge a fee that reflects the fair
    market value of the administrative costs and efforts incurred by the
    licensed dealer for facilitating the sale or transfer of the firearm.
    (4) This section does not apply to:
    (a) A transfer between immediate family members, which for this
    subsection shall be limited to spouses, domestic partners, parents,
    children, siblings, grandparents, grandchildren, nieces, nephews,
    first cousins, aunts, and uncles, that is a bona fide gift;
    (b) The sale or transfer of an antique firearm;
    (c) A temporary transfer of possession of a firearm if such
    transfer is necessary to prevent imminent death or great bodily harm
    to the person to whom the firearm is transferred if:
    (i) The temporary transfer only lasts as long as immediately
    necessary to prevent such imminent death or great bodily harm; and
    (ii) The person to whom the firearm is transferred is not
    prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law;
    (d) Any law enforcement or corrections agency and, to the extent
    the person is acting within the course and scope of his or her
    employment or official duties, any law enforcement or corrections
    officer, United States marshal, member of the armed forces of the
    United States or the national guard, or federal official;
    (e) A federally licensed gunsmith who receives a firearm solely
    for the purposes of service or repair, or the return of the firearm to
    its owner by the federally licensed gunsmith;
    (f) The temporary transfer of a firearm (i) between spouses or
    domestic partners; (ii) if the temporary transfer occurs, and the
    firearm is kept at all times, at an established shooting range
    authorized by the governing body of the jurisdiction in which such
    range is located; (iii) if the temporary transfer occurs and the
    transferee's possession of the firearm is exclusively at a lawful
    organized competition involving the use of a firearm, or while
    participating in or practicing for a performance by an organized group
    that uses firearms as a part of the performance; (iv) to a person who
    is under eighteen years of age for lawful hunting, sporting, or
    educational purposes while under the direct supervision and control of
    a responsible adult who is not prohibited from possessing firearms; or
    (v) while hunting if the hunting is legal in all places where the
    person to whom the firearm is transferred possesses the firearm and
    the person to whom the firearm is transferred has completed all
    training and holds all licenses or permits required for such hunting,
    provided that any temporary transfer allowed by this subsection is
    permitted only if the person to whom the firearm is transferred is not
    prohibited from possessing firearms under state or federal law; or
    (g) A person who (i) acquired a firearm other than a pistol by
    operation of law upon the death of the former owner of the firearm or
    (ii) acquired a pistol by operation of law upon the death of the
    former owner of the pistol within the preceding sixty days. At the
    end of the sixty-day period, the person must either have lawfully
    transferred the pistol or must have contacted the department of
    licensing to notify the department that he or she has possession of
    the pistol and intends to retain possession of the pistol, in
    compliance with all federal and state laws.

    Sec. 4. A new section is added to chapter 9.41 RCW
    to read as follows:
    Except as otherwise provided in this chapter, a licensed dealer
    may not deliver any firearm to a purchaser or transferee until the
    earlier of:
    (1) The results of all required background checks are known and
    the purchaser or transferee is not prohibited from owning or
    possessing a firearm under federal or state law; or
    (2) Ten business days have elapsed from the date the licensed
    dealer requested the background check. However, for sales and
    transfers of pistols if the purchaser or transferee does not have a
    valid permanent Washington driver's license or state identification
    card or has not been a resident of the state for the previous
    consecutive ninety days, then the time period in this subsection shall
    be extended from ten business days to sixty days.
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    So it appears you can loan your gun to someone at the range.

    (4) This section does not apply to:
    (f) The temporary transfer of a firearm (ii) if the temporary transfer occurs, and the
    firearm is kept at all times, at an established shooting range
    authorized by the governing body of the jurisdiction in which such
    range is located;

    Still is a revolting law.

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