10/22 Upgrades

[MattR]

So I have a 10/22 that I was thinking about upgrading to a precision-ish trainer. It looks like you could spend a G on parts and pieces but what is really necessary? I was thinking a Tac Sol barrel, Timney Trigger, a stock of some sort, and what else I have no idea. It looks like they make every part in steel or titanium, oversized, and...it goes on.

[cstone]

Kidd is what I would suggest.

http://www.coolguyguns.com/

Start with a drop in trigger or go whole hog and get the two stage. After that, you can choose which way to go, but the Kidd triggers will make your 10/22 a whole different rifle.

[MarkCO]

Kidd triggers are certainly some of the better ones. But, and I admit I am biased, I use Volquartsen. Never seen any sponsorship of matches from Kidd, but tons of it from Volquartsen. Tac-Sol makes decent barrels and also supports the sport. Beyer barrels are a tad better IMHO, and another sport supporter.

When it comes to stocks, you really need to figure out what you are doing for sights first. The variation between bore and sight line can be accommodated with stocks.

[bchase75]

Hornet makes really good (and relatively affordable) drop in triggers. I've got one on my 10/22 and its fantastic.

http://www.hornetproducts.com/

[GrumpyMedic]

The wife and I have Volquartsen triggers and the modified bolt release (allows you to slingshot instead of having to use two fingers) on our 10/22. You said precision-ish trainer, so I would focus on getting the rifle as close to the center fire you are training for as possible. Same or very similar stock, same glass or at least same reticle/power/eye relief.

the problem with sub caliber trainers is that you will end up being disappointed with the accuracy. If you spend the cash on a new barrel make sure you invest in quality hi velocity ammo, most like CCI stuff.

i get 4 MOA from my 10/22 out to about 100m with tech sights (peep rear sight that attaches to Reciever for longer sight radius) and bulk pack ammo, shooting in field positions. Neither of us shoot much with optics, and only own one rifle with a magnified optic, so this works for us.

what rifle are you trying to use it as a stand in for?

[Tim K]

Matt,

Assuming you want to shoot this thing at the .22 side matches, you're going to need to be able to shoot subsonic target ammo. Eley, Wolf, whatever. The targets are in some cases 1 moa or less. I know nothing about 10-22's, but you'll need to make whatever mods are required to run on subsonics.

Boyd's makes a Tacticool stock for the 10-22. The cheekpiece wasn't high enough for me so I made mine adjustable. Pretty easy project.

T

[hatidua]

If you spend the cash on a new barrel make sure you invest in quality hi velocity ammo

-first time I've ever heard someone advocating supersonic .22 ammo when accuracy is desired.

i get 4 MOA from my 10/22

Nevermind, I should have read the whole post before replying.

[GrumpyMedic]

There are some very accurate high velocity rounds out there, CCI Velocitor is pretty accurate. The reason people usually say the low velocity stuff is better has to do with bullet uniformity being poor.

the real question is what does Matt intend to do with the rifle. A 4 MOA rifle from field positions with open sights is great for me, or does he want a slow fire tack driver with 4 grand in glass on top of it being shot off of sandbags?

[Tim K]

The reason people usually say the low velocity stuff is better has to do with bullet uniformity being poor.

No, it's primarily because subsonics don't cross the transonic region in speed. They start subsonic and stay that way. Your average high velocity round starts supersonic and goes transonic somewhere between 50 and 100 yards. The transonic region causes many bullets to become unstable and do unpredictable things. That's why some high velocity ammo will group well at 50 yards and go to hell at 100.

To be sure, high quality ammo is also...higher quality. More consistent bullets, powder, and primers. It'd better be at $5-$20 a box of 50.

Matt's stated purpose is a precision-ish trainer. He's referring to a training rifle for the long range precision shooting sports. In order to get much useful practice from it, it will need to be shooting around 1 MOA. This is not at all difficult or expensive. My trainer ran me $700 complete, including aftermarket stock, scope, rail, rings, bipod, etc. It shoots sub MOA with $5 a box Eley Target ammo.

[GrumpyMedic]

I was leaving open the possibility that he as training for high power / service rifle, I guess this may have been they source of my confusion.