Reminder, Ballot Initiative for repealing Magazine Ban deadline nearing.

[Jer]

What is foolishness is refusing to support this amendment because of the inclusion of the "EXCEPT A LAW ENACTED BY A VOTE OF THE PEOPLE" language because even if its not included it still applies. If you remove that verbiage Democrats can STILL put together a state wide petition to get yet another constitutional amendment into the Colorado Constitution that reverses our mag ban reversal (this is why I think it's just too damn easy to amend the CO Constitution ... but that's another long and contentious argument).

And the end result would be what... what he currently have? What's the risk?

[fitz19d]

To the ones against it, I'd rather take my chances on a publically elected law. It would have the same hurdles to even be put to the vote, then the vote itself. Far cry better than a small handful of politicians doing wtf they want. Right now it's outlawed. I'd rather have it back and then try to keep it safe than to just say oh well it's here to stay...

As far as referring to me and extra information on it. I'm not officially part of the group, I just ended up with a extra petition pack via a friend who is one. (And admits they fucked up not getting on here, esp. since he knew Dudley wasn't doing anything to help push it.)

I know some people knew about it w/ out facebook. Had 2-3 people at work who'd already signed and aren't COAR15 involved.

[Zundfolge]

Seriously, why are you anti FB? Sum it up in 15 words or less.

I don't have any desire to use Facebook. Period. So I don't want to be forced to sign up for a Facebook account to engage in NON-FACEBOOK activities (this is one reason I canceled my Gazette subscription too ... I don't want to use FB to comment there).

Aside from no desire to actually use FB itself, I refuse to sign up for any service that requires me to use my real name. I don't want to be discriminated against professionally for my political and/or religious beliefs because as a professional Graphic Designer I have to work with a lot of people I disagree with (and yes, I have lost out on job opportunities because liberals will not hire you if they think you're a Republican, Christian, gun owner, not in lock-step with them).

[Zundfolge]

And the end result would be what... what he currently have? What's the risk?

I'm not sure I follow your question.

The reason given for including the language in red is that it will help get it passed I guess by seeming more moderate? ... if it were up to me the language wouldn't be there as its superfluous, but the fact remains that whether its there or not "except a law enacted by a vote of the people" is a real possibility and because they chose to include it I don't see that as a reason not to support the amendment.

[Jer]

I don't have any desire to use Facebook. Period. So I don't want to be forced to sign up for a Facebook account to engage in NON-FACEBOOK activities (this is one reason I canceled my Gazette subscription too ... I don't want to use FB to comment there).

Aside from no desire to actually use FB itself, I refuse to sign up for any service that requires me to use my real name. I don't want to be discriminated against professionally for my political and/or religious beliefs because as a professional Graphic Designer I have to work with a lot of people I disagree with (and yes, I have lost out on job opportunities because liberals will not hire you if they think you're a Republican, Christian, gun owner, not in lock-step with them).

Conservatives do the EXACT same thing.

[Jer]

I'm not sure I follow your question.

The reason given for including the language in red is that it will help get it passed I guess by seeming more moderate? ... if it were up to me the language wouldn't be there as its superfluous, but the fact remains that whether its there or not "except a law enacted by a vote of the people" is a real possibility and because they chose to include it I don't see that as a reason not to support the amendment.

So you'd rather we just don't get our magazines or any of our other freedoms that were stripped away back? What is it that you personally are doing right now that is helping to get our freedoms back?

[Holger Danske]

Locations in Co Springs, from the wordpress link earlier in the thread

Front Range Cycle Shop

3005 Pennsylvania Ave
Colorado Springs, CO 80907
(719) 302-4579
frontrangecycleshop.com

Quality Auto Performance
1883 South Chelton Road
Colorado Springs, CO 80910
(719) 473-4500
amazingautosound.com

Specialty Sports and Supply
4285 E Fountain Blvd
Colorado Springs, CO 80916
(719) 391-2556
specialtysportsandsupply.com

Paradise Sales
605 W Colorado Ave
Colorado Springs, CO 80905
(719) 630-7070
paradisefirearms.com

Predator 4-WD
4260 North Nevada Avenue
Colorado Springs, CO 80907
(719) 528-5790
predator4wd.com

Whistling Pines Gun Club
1412 Woolsey Heights
Colorado Springs, CO 80915
(719) 597-3456
whistlingpinesgunclub.com

[crays]

Seriously, why are you anti FB? Sum it up in 15 words or less.

Their business model. Succint enough for you?

[Zundfolge]

So you'd rather we just don't get our magazines or any of our other freedoms that were stripped away back? What is it that you personally are doing right now that is helping to get our freedoms back?

I think you have this backward.

I'm arguing AGAINST people like Rabid that REFUSE TO SUPPORT the amendment because that language is in it ... I'm saying it doesn't matter and we should support the amendment anyway because even without that language the antis could put together a ballot initiate to reverse our reversal of the ban. That language included in the amendment DOES NOT CAUSE there to be an ability to reverse it by a vote of the people, it merely acknowledges the reality that it could happen. I believe it may have even been required by the state to be in there so as to not violate the rights of the people to amend the state constitution (dunno about that though).

Conservatives do the EXACT same thing.

Not against ME they don't but you are making the case why a liberal that works in a conservative dominated field might want to eschew Facebook as well.

[Rabid]

So you'd rather we just don't get our magazines or any of our other freedoms that were stripped away back? What is it that you personally are doing right now that is helping to get our freedoms back?

Not sure why you are attacking someone you agree with.

I see a pandoras box and do not want to open it. I never told anyone to not sign it but rather to think about it before they did. You already stated that the dems are hurting us by not thinking of ramifications so why should we follow the same logic. Not every option is the right option.