Any info on the Colorado Rifle Club?

[USMC88-93]

http://crci.org/

Seems to be the closest outdoor range from Eldorado Springs, anyone ever been there?

The powers that be out there totally fubar'd up the 25/50/100/200 portion of the range and removed a lot of 200 yard shooting positions and put up berms that removed a lot of usability from that portion of the range. All because of a few idiots ruining it for the rest of us by somehow putting rounds into the house or storage shed out there. I like the place but not as much as I did. As mentioned they have the ability to do 3 gun and personal defense type practice out there but it is specifically prohibited unless part of a sanctioned and supervised match of some sort (again this is as informed via the orientation way back in the day so perhaps some of that has changed). Forgive the term but the place does have a "Fuddly" nature about it at times but given the choice it is a great place otherwise. (The individual performing the orientation specifically said and I quote from actually hearing it myself "We just do not want to attract that sort out here".) Other than that, just a lot of wind at times.

[MarkCO]

thats understandable.

IIRC how it was explained to me was that the prohibition on placing your own stands was to prevent people from dynamic shooting drills on the static (non-3 bermed) ranges

i get it in a way... though for pistol, id rather set the distance as i wish. heh

i suppose its not an issue so long as you are quallied on the 3 berm..

*shrug*

Yep, for the "straight line ranges" there are more restrictions. Getting cleared for dynamic shooting on the East range is easy, unless you have never done that sort of thing or really are clueless. A grand total of 5 people have been "cleared". Took about 20 minutes, and none of them had any issues. I can't understand why more people have not requested it to be honest.

[lowbeyond]

Only 5?

Wow. It was me and another guy when I went so that's 2 of the 5.

And it's super easy. Know the 4 rules, the 180 and a couple other easy things and don't be an idiot. You're good. Duh

Not really bitching that much, just a little. Hehe

Thanks again for your time to qually people. It's much appreciated!

[DeusExMachina]

Yep, for the "straight line ranges" there are more restrictions. Getting cleared for dynamic shooting on the East range is easy, unless you have never done that sort of thing or really are clueless. A grand total of 5 people have been "cleared". Took about 20 minutes, and none of them had any issues. I can't understand why more people have not requested it to be honest.

For starters, I'm sure very few are even aware. I doubt every CRC member on CO-AR knows this. It's not on the CRC website.

Secondly, I'm sure most aren't even aware it's against the rules. Having 13 action berms open unrestricted probably surprises people that no action shooting is allowed except at matches. It certainly surprised the shit out of me and my friends, who had been members for over a year at the time I read that. It wasn't mentioned at the orientation for sure.

Third, who wants to bother? To schedule something with you to do get cleared for something they do already. Plenty of people have odd schedules, and with the exception of matches, the range is typically a ghost town. Ghosts don't care if someone's doing draw drills.

[MarkCO]

Well, there is a sign posted at the mouth of each berm, and it has been in the rules for at least 4 years. If you joined in the last 4 years, you signed an agreement that you would abide by the rules. If you want to get upset with someone, it is not me, who made an effort to give people a path to be able to shoot dynamically on the "East Ranges" (as opposed to the "Action Ranges". Without me working with the BOD to get this pretty simple path approved, then you might have something to complain about.

That said, the three guys hosing the berms with AKs were not safe. When some moron starts doing quickdraws and shoots himself in the leg, I don't want to be the one that shows up to find the dead idiot, and then see the club go bye-bye because they were just doing "something they do already." There has been a TON of evidence that there are some pretty stupid people who are members at CRC.

Get caught without being cleared, lose your membership...sure there will be someone to take you place who wants to abide by the rules they agreed to.

[DeusExMachina]

Well, there is a sign posted at the mouth of each berm, and it has been in the rules for at least 4 years. If you joined in the last 4 years, you signed an agreement that you would abide by the rules. If you want to get upset with someone, it is not me, who made an effort to give people a path to be able to shoot dynamically on the "East Ranges" (as opposed to the "Action Ranges". Without me working with the BOD to get this pretty simple path approved, then you might have something to complain about.

That said, the three guys hosing the berms with AKs were not safe. When some moron starts doing quickdraws and shoots himself in the leg, I don't want to be the one that shows up to find the dead idiot, and then see the club go bye-bye because they were just doing "something they do already." There has been a TON of evidence that there are some pretty stupid people who are members at CRC.

Get caught without being cleared, lose your membership...sure there will be someone to take you place who wants to abide by the rules they agreed to.

When was the sign posted? I've never ever seen one.

It is not clear in the rules, and it is not clear as to why it's even IN the rules.

I feel like I've had this argument before. If someone is stupid and unsafe, they're not going to stop and read a sign and say, "Oh, I better not do this." Or after they scrutinize the rulebook for the 3rd time, suddenly realize they're in the wrong and not do it.

Better yet, if someone is caught being stupid and unsafe, they should lose their membership. If you're caught behaving responsibly but haven't gone through the "quick draw permitting process", it doesn't make sense to lose one's membership.

[USMC88-93]

This is just another example of something that was not communicated properly to the membership as a whole. I have been a member for years and at no point do I recall anyone communicating a way to be "cleared" for such activities. As a result I havent had the need or desire to utilize the berms. As such I wouldn't have seem a sign posted there indicating there was a way to be cleared. Or is the signage just related to the do's and dont's.

[Great-Kazoo]

When was the sign posted? I've never ever seen one.

It is not clear in the rules, and it is not clear as to why it's even IN the rules.

I feel like I've had this argument before. If someone is stupid and unsafe, they're not going to stop and read a sign and say, "Oh, I better not do this." Or after they scrutinize the rulebook for the 3rd time, suddenly realize they're in the wrong and not do it.

Better yet, if someone is caught being stupid and unsafe, they should lose their membership. If you're caught behaving responsibly but haven't gone through the "quick draw permitting process", it doesn't make sense to lose one's membership.

Like my range that sounds more of a BOD than RO. The BOD is usually comprised of IPSC, High Power , BR shooters who don't understand why someone is "wasting all that ammo" when on the line. Some of the BOD guys up at my place probably still have the same 20 rd box of .06 they purchased with their rifle, through Sears Roebuck.

[merl]

This is just another example of something that was not communicated properly to the membership as a whole. I have been a member for years and at no point do I recall anyone communicating a way to be "cleared" for such activities. As a result I havent had the need or desire to utilize the berms. As such I wouldn't have seem a sign posted there indicating there was a way to be cleared. Or is the signage just related to the do's and dont's.

Here is the email sent out April 5th. No Other communication was sent regarding the east range except construction news.

CRC has encountered a few problems on the East Range. Some casual shooters have been shooting high power rifles at steel targets, at close range. This is a dangerous practice for several reasons. First, there is a danger to the shooter due to splash back from bullet fragments. Also, bullets ricocheting off the steel targets is a danger to others. The use of high power rifles on steel targets is no longer permitted. A high power rifle is defined as a rifle firing a jacketed bullet from a bottle neck cartridge. Another problem has been ricochets caused by casual shooters not placing their targets close to the backstop. Rounds missing the targets strike the ground and ricochet over the backstop. Also, we have had several issues where casual shooters have taken steel targets from the CRC storage area and shot them with jacketed bullets. Steel targets used by the cowboy shooters are made from softer steel and are suitable only for use with lead bullets. Several of the cowboy targets have already been damaged in this manner. All steel targets stored on the East Range are intended ONLY for use in organized competitions, NOT for casual shooting practice. The rules for shooting on the East Range have been revised, and there are some significant changes.

The new rules for the East Range are as follows:
1.) All firing must be done from locations completely enclosed by the side berms. Firing from points outside the berms is not permitted.
2.) Eye and ear protection is required when shooting is in progress.
3.) Walking or climbing on the berms is not permitted.
4.) Shooting while moving is not permitted except under the supervision of a qualified range officer.
5.) All targets must be placed as close as possible to the rear backstop, so rounds will impact on the rear backstop. Shooters are encouraged to use the target frames provided.
6.) All rounds fired must impact on the rear backstop. Shooting into the side berms is not permitted except under the supervision of a qualified range officer.
7.) Firing high power rifles on steel targets is prohibited due to ricochet issues. High power rifles are restricted to paper targets only. High power rifles are those using a bottleneck cartridge firing jacketed bullets.
8.) CRC stores steel targets on the East range for use in approved matches ONLY. These steel targets are NOT provided for casual target practice.
9.) Bottles, cans, and other objects are not proper targets and are prohibited.
10.) Shooters are expected to pick up their spent cases and all other materials and remove it from the property.
NOTE: High power rifles may be used on the new steel gong on the 200 yard berm. This is provided for casual shooters. Restrictions against shooting steel targets with high power rifles on all other berms still apply.

There is also this in the general range rules so draw and fire drills on the east berms (or anywhere else) were already ruled out.

4. Away from the firing line handguns may not be carried in holsters, except for law enforcement personnel in uniform or persons holding valid concealed carry permits. “QUICK DRAW” handgun practice or shooting IS NOT PERMITTED on CRC property.

Nothing in it about getting cleared for anything, blanket disallow movement while shooting and draw/fire.
Mark, I know you can clear people because of your posts here, otherwise nothing.

(FWIW you can hear round after round go spinning over the berms during matches with low targets.)
There are some other rules that are blanket ignored like no semi auto on the rimfire berm.

[MarkCO]

When was the sign posted? I've never ever seen one.

They were installed during the spring workdays, on every berm. And like Merl posted, everyone was sent the above e-mail. I'll bet you would have seen these if they said "Free .22LR ammo".