Have we lost our Patriotism?

[Bailey Guns]

So what is your response if I state, and believe the same? Does that make me a "leftist"?

What if I were to follow up that statement by stating we should have went to Afghanistan and terminated Osama, and anyone else who got in our way, then got the hell out?

What if the comment was made by a soldier who has been to that dump 3,4 times trying to "nation build" and provide security to a bunch of goat f'n, doped out, pedopile savages who know nothing but fighting "infidels"; and lost some of his brothers trying to do the impossible?

OK...maybe I should have expanded on that because I think you can be against the war and fully support our troops. But to keep this response to a manageable level let me just give you the reader's digest version: when it's said by a solid leftist it's probably going to be apparent in the rest of their behavior and lifestyle. When someone like you or I say it (because frankly I'm way past my tolerance level for the BS in Afghanistan) it's for other reasons. I think you'll get my overall drift with having said that. Because a real explanation would take pages.

A leftist will talk to a soldier and say: "Wow. I, like, really support you and all but how can you follow orders from someone like Bush who's killed millions of innocent people by lying about WMDs, blah, blah, blah". It'll all be bullshit, but, yeah, he supports the troops.

A righty (who's against the war) will say: "I'm glad I never had to serve under a fuck-stick CinC like Obama under those bullshit ROEs that are getting our guys killed for no reason. We should be going in to win the war or we shouldn't be going in."

The left generally has no understanding of honor, duty and sacrifice.

Does that help you understand what I meant?

[Ronin13]

I was just thinking about this earlier today... I was reading a bunch of stuff about the whole Robertson fiasco and thought back to 2001. Remember after 9/11 how our nation came together as one? Everyone waved their flags, stickers and those yellow ribbons adorned nearly every car. Fast forward just a few years and we've become the most split I've seen in my nearly 30 years of being alive. In my lifetime I cannot recall a time where being "American" has ever been something to be disgraceful about, yet some out there would try to convince you that we shouldn't be proud of our nation, our history, and our heritage. Sure our country has done some messed up stuff, but that all pales in comparison to all the good we've done throughout the last 2 1/2 centuries (You're welcome Europe, since you know, only one country speaks German). Further, why are we so divided over all this petty shit? He doesn't like gays? SO FREAKING WHAT!? She wants to get an abortion? OH MY GOD, who cares? I hate to quote a d-bag celebrity, but Jay-Z did have one really good line: "What you eat doesn't make me shit." Why can't we just move on from these petty squabbles and move forward toward a better, more united, more patriotic nation? It seems like so many want to bad mouth this country, then turn around and be hypocrites and not leave it if they don't love it.

[jhood001]

but Jay-Z did have one really good line: "What you eat doesn't make me shit."

That's pretty good right there.

[MED]

I was just thinking about this earlier today... I was reading a bunch of stuff about the whole Robertson fiasco and thought back to 2001. Remember after 9/11 how our nation came together as one? Everyone waved their flags, stickers and those yellow ribbons adorned nearly every car. Fast forward just a few years and we've become the most split I've seen in my nearly 30 years of being alive. In my lifetime I cannot recall a time where being "American" has ever been something to be disgraceful about, yet some out there would try to convince you that we shouldn't be proud of our nation, our history, and our heritage. Sure our country has done some messed up stuff, but that all pales in comparison to all the good we've done throughout the last 2 1/2 centuries (You're welcome Europe, since you know, only one country speaks German). Further, why are we so divided over all this petty shit? He doesn't like gays? SO FREAKING WHAT!? She wants to get an abortion? OH MY GOD, who cares? I hate to quote a d-bag celebrity, but Jay-Z did have one really good line: "What you eat doesn't make me shit." Why can't we just move on from these petty squabbles and move forward toward a better, more united, more patriotic nation? It seems like so many want to bad mouth this country, then turn around and be hypocrites and not leave it if they don't love it.

We can't be a united nation because socialism and liberty are mutually exclusive.

[Bailey Guns]

We can't be a united nation because socialism and liberty are mutually exclusive.

True dat!

[blacklabel]

We can't be a united nation because socialism and liberty are mutually exclusive.

It can't be said better than that.

[Zundfolge]

Actually, the death of the Founding Father's Ideals started in 1937...

No actually the death of the Founding Fathers' Ideals started in 1913 with the rise of the Progressive movement and the presidency of Woodrow Wilson.


We tend to think of the unpatriotic as being leftists, but more and more I'm seeing conservatives losing their patriotism ... hell I'm nowhere near as patriotic as I used to be because more and more I believe that America (the government and its institutions) are becoming the very enemy of the people that our Constitution was written to counter.

I'm deeply committed to the ideals of the founders, but I don't believe that America (the government and its institutions) are even remotely connected to those ideals anymore and America (the people and culture) are headed away from those ideals as well.

How can I remain a patriot when America isn't America anymore?

My Grandfather was the most patriotic man I've ever known ... all I can say is that I'm glad he died while Reagan was still president so he didn't have to see what's become of his beloved nation.

[MED]

My Grandfather was the most patriotic man I've ever known ... all I can say is that I'm glad he died while Reagan was still president so he didn't have to see what's become of his beloved nation.

I think this is why my dad is developing altizimers; it is a defence mechanism from watching the decay. Both my parents make comments that they are ready to go; they don't want to watch.

[blacklabel]

I'm deeply committed to the ideals of the founders, but I don't believe that America (the government and its institutions) are even remotely connected to those ideals anymore and America (the people and culture) are headed away from those ideals as well.

How can I remain a patriot when America isn't America anymore?

I've struggled with this a lot lately. The more I realize how far gone American politics are, the more I realize that I need to focus on my own personal liberty outside of the political cluster.


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[Ronin13]

We can't be a united nation because socialism and liberty are mutually exclusive.

Indeed! Touche!

No actually the death of the Founding Fathers' Ideals started in 1913 with the rise of the Progressive movement and the presidency of Woodrow Wilson.

We tend to think of the unpatriotic as being leftists, but more and more I'm seeing conservatives losing their patriotism ... hell I'm nowhere near as patriotic as I used to be because more and more I believe that America (the government and its institutions) are becoming the very enemy of the people that our Constitution was written to counter.

I'm deeply committed to the ideals of the founders, but I don't believe that America (the government and its institutions) are even remotely connected to those ideals anymore and America (the people and culture) are headed away from those ideals as well.

How can I remain a patriot when America isn't America anymore?

My Grandfather was the most patriotic man I've ever known ... all I can say is that I'm glad he died while Reagan was still president so he didn't have to see what's become of his beloved nation.

Well put, however the socialist is soulless, and those who were supposed to be champions of liberty (conservatives) are losing their souls at an alarming rate... By souls I'm referring to the American Patriot Soul. Do not look to Washington for patriots, they're all corrupt and cowardly with a severe lacking in patriotism, if you want a real patriot, look to real life heroes like Marcus Luttrell, Colion Noir, Bill Whittle, Greg Brophy, and Michael Brown.