Have we lost our Patriotism?

[Aloha_Shooter]

Patriotism started dying with the Flower Children and Bill Ayres's ilk. The death rate accelerated during Clinton's term and has hit a crescendo during Obama's reign. I mark Nov 6, 2012 as the death of the Founding Fathers' ideals.

[MED]

Patriotism started dying with the Flower Children and Bill Ayres's ilk. The death rate accelerated during Clinton's term and has hit a crescendo during Obama's reign. I mark Nov 6, 2012 as the death of the Founding Fathers' ideals.

Actually, the death of the Founding Father's Ideals started in 1937 when the court packing plan of FDR led to a switch of interpretation of the Commerce Clause that magically made the New Deal legislation constitutional and brought forth the Nanny States of America.

[Zundfolge]

Actually, the death of the Founding Father's Ideals started in 1937...

No actually the death of the Founding Fathers' Ideals started in 1913 with the rise of the Progressive movement and the presidency of Woodrow Wilson.


We tend to think of the unpatriotic as being leftists, but more and more I'm seeing conservatives losing their patriotism ... hell I'm nowhere near as patriotic as I used to be because more and more I believe that America (the government and its institutions) are becoming the very enemy of the people that our Constitution was written to counter.

I'm deeply committed to the ideals of the founders, but I don't believe that America (the government and its institutions) are even remotely connected to those ideals anymore and America (the people and culture) are headed away from those ideals as well.

How can I remain a patriot when America isn't America anymore?

My Grandfather was the most patriotic man I've ever known ... all I can say is that I'm glad he died while Reagan was still president so he didn't have to see what's become of his beloved nation.

[MED]

My Grandfather was the most patriotic man I've ever known ... all I can say is that I'm glad he died while Reagan was still president so he didn't have to see what's become of his beloved nation.

I think this is why my dad is developing altizimers; it is a defence mechanism from watching the decay. Both my parents make comments that they are ready to go; they don't want to watch.

[Ronin13]

We can't be a united nation because socialism and liberty are mutually exclusive.

Indeed! Touche!

No actually the death of the Founding Fathers' Ideals started in 1913 with the rise of the Progressive movement and the presidency of Woodrow Wilson.

We tend to think of the unpatriotic as being leftists, but more and more I'm seeing conservatives losing their patriotism ... hell I'm nowhere near as patriotic as I used to be because more and more I believe that America (the government and its institutions) are becoming the very enemy of the people that our Constitution was written to counter.

I'm deeply committed to the ideals of the founders, but I don't believe that America (the government and its institutions) are even remotely connected to those ideals anymore and America (the people and culture) are headed away from those ideals as well.

How can I remain a patriot when America isn't America anymore?

My Grandfather was the most patriotic man I've ever known ... all I can say is that I'm glad he died while Reagan was still president so he didn't have to see what's become of his beloved nation.

Well put, however the socialist is soulless, and those who were supposed to be champions of liberty (conservatives) are losing their souls at an alarming rate... By souls I'm referring to the American Patriot Soul. Do not look to Washington for patriots, they're all corrupt and cowardly with a severe lacking in patriotism, if you want a real patriot, look to real life heroes like Marcus Luttrell, Colion Noir, Bill Whittle, Greg Brophy, and Michael Brown.

[blacklabel]

I'm deeply committed to the ideals of the founders, but I don't believe that America (the government and its institutions) are even remotely connected to those ideals anymore and America (the people and culture) are headed away from those ideals as well.

How can I remain a patriot when America isn't America anymore?

I've struggled with this a lot lately. The more I realize how far gone American politics are, the more I realize that I need to focus on my own personal liberty outside of the political cluster.


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[MED]

No actually the death of the Founding Fathers' Ideals started in 1913 with the rise of the Progressive movement and the presidency of Woodrow Wilson.

Woodrow Wilson was certainly a douch, but the first wound on the constitution was in 1937. Until then, limits were placed on government. The consequences of the civil war and the move to federalism is an interesting area of study.

[Zundfolge]

Woodrow Wilson was certainly a douch, but the first wound on the constitution was in 1937. Until then, limits were placed on government. The consequences of the civil war and the move to federalism is an interesting area of study.

The first wounds on the constitution were in 1913 with the 16th and 17th amendments ... which came about because of the rise of the Progressive movement and the Wilson presidency.

If you don't buy that (since you are establishing the line as "limits placed on government") then the first wound was 1919 with the passage of the 18th amendment (which used the constitution to limit the rights of the people instead of the power of the government for the first time).

My only point is that America has been infected with the disease of the left for longer than people realize. At this point the damage is what it is so it's somewhat academic to argue when the first wound was inflicted.

[spqrzilla]

Woodrow Wilson was certainly a douch, but the first wound on the constitution was in 1937. Until then, limits were placed on government. The consequences of the civil war and the move to federalism is an interesting area of study.

Woodrow Wilson had people rounded up and jailed for advocating resistance to the WWI era draft. It was the most repressive time in modern US history. Wilson was the worst President in modern history - the current douche is just crowded him in second place.

[Ronin13]

I was just thinking about this earlier today... I was reading a bunch of stuff about the whole Robertson fiasco and thought back to 2001. Remember after 9/11 how our nation came together as one? Everyone waved their flags, stickers and those yellow ribbons adorned nearly every car. Fast forward just a few years and we've become the most split I've seen in my nearly 30 years of being alive. In my lifetime I cannot recall a time where being "American" has ever been something to be disgraceful about, yet some out there would try to convince you that we shouldn't be proud of our nation, our history, and our heritage. Sure our country has done some messed up stuff, but that all pales in comparison to all the good we've done throughout the last 2 1/2 centuries (You're welcome Europe, since you know, only one country speaks German). Further, why are we so divided over all this petty shit? He doesn't like gays? SO FREAKING WHAT!? She wants to get an abortion? OH MY GOD, who cares? I hate to quote a d-bag celebrity, but Jay-Z did have one really good line: "What you eat doesn't make me shit." Why can't we just move on from these petty squabbles and move forward toward a better, more united, more patriotic nation? It seems like so many want to bad mouth this country, then turn around and be hypocrites and not leave it if they don't love it.