Alright davsel, that's a start. I took a couple friends out Friday morning and called in 2 pairs. The first pair came in to howling only, at about 5 minutes, They missed'em both even though the 1st shot was only 100 yards. The 2nd pair actually was spotted while I was doing some howling at about 550 yards. They broke loose and came to a pup coyote fight sound that I have. The boys got one of them shot at 155 yards, but missed the other. I was running a video camera and got that stand on film.