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Minor detail, this is considered an invasive procedure. Guess who approves the interventions performed by paramedics in the US. Guess who approves what the army medics carry and use. Spoiler, its a physician.Originally Posted by hurley842002
You mean the guys selling the product say its better than the competitors product?!?
Kind of contradicting the physicians "frustrations" aren't you?
I bring unbiased experience. People can say that they don't care what the surgeon thinks if they get there alive, but if 80% of your patients die on the table instead of 25% due to the increased time taken in surgery (pulling out 92 pellets is going to take a long time, and if you have to explore or take xrays because you don't really know how many pellets there are it will take even longer), but you only increase the number of causalities that make it to the OR by 10% is it worth it (obviously these stats are made up, but without studies nobody will know what they really are)? Pressure dressings or other traditional methods not only stop blood from exiting the body, but will prevent third spacing of the blood into organ cavities, can this product work as well or does it only stop blood from exiting the wound tract? I have seen many triple As die from hemorrhagic shock with all of the blood being third spaced in the peritoneal cavity.
People want to jump on a bandwagon because something is new and exciting. This could potentially be a good product, but it could also be crap. I would love for this to be great, but for the reasons above I have my doubts. All medical professionals should recognize this, and not advocate for something until there is efficacy (as proven by multiple third party studies). I see the same thing in the fire service, some company will try to peddle their new product without any proof that it works any better than what we already have. They usually have some flashy video of them putting out a mobile home fire is 30 seconds on their website, but struggle to show it works any better when we ask them to do it at our station. The company is there to make money.
I would love a tool that can increase survivability be it this product or any other, but there needs to be proof.
Why are you so defensive when someone has doubts about an unproven product?
Its one thing to show skeptism. Another just to be a smartass.
Like mentioned above, the product is being or will be tested. Most of the above posters are folks who have been in the industry, medic, trainer and even on the battlefield. Their words mean so much more than yours since I dont know you personally.
Unless you are a surgeon, I dont think you can speak beyond just your own personal opinion.
Last edited by ChunkyMonkey; 04-07-2014 at 11:21.
How about a Paramedic/RN who also has a BS in biology, though not a surgeon I feel that my experience might be worth something. My "smartass" comment was only in response to what people said after my first post, who didn't find any value in an opinion that did not support the product.
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