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For all of the people who doubt or need proof of my claimed pistol shooting skills I welcome you to visit my YouTube page listed below. I have many videos there showing me shooting USPSA Match stages locally and all across the nation.
http://www.youtube.com/user/chimpdaddyllc/videos
Yeah because a USPSA match stage is like being shot at and having to worry about civilians in the zone. I'm not very experienced with USPSA but have done a few. I don't recall anything in any of the magazines or stages with shooting through a windshield. In USPSA matches, your bullet is stopped by the backstop if you miss the head shot. Whole lot less stress worrying about having people make fun of you for putting a hole in a white target than having a kid on a bike in the area. Oh yeah, and I've seen some damned good pistoleros still manage to score misses or hostage hits in USPSA even without having rounds coming back at them.
I know I'm not Josey Wales and hope to never have to use my guns against a living target but your criticisms are just ... Feinstein-esque.
Correct me if I'm wrong Charlie, but I believe what Charlie is getting at, is that when you practice something enough, you are more likely to do what you are supposed to do, without having to stop and think about it.
On a side note, I bet $12 that Cha-lee could do the drill Ronin posted, but at 12 yards.
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PLEASE enlighten me on another form of pistol training or competition that will hone a shooters gun handling, shooting, moving, and safety BEYOND what a Grand Master USPSA shooter can perform. Is there some super ultra tactical timmy training or competition that the top pistol shooters in the world have all magically over looked? I think not.Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter
Sure Tactics are different between an active shooter situation and a USPSA stage. But the fundamental skills required in getting the firearm on target and breaking a shot as soon as validly possible is no different in either situation. Claiming that training these fundamental shooting skills to the point of subconcious execution in USPSA matches is going to disallow those same skills to not be leveraged in an active shooter scenario is complete ignorance.
Last edited by CHA-LEE; 05-07-2014 at 00:12.
Those targets don't seem to be shooting back. Yes you can train muscle memory, a lot... BTDT... still doesn't account for the sudden influx of adrenaline and the psychological effects that happen when you are actually in a life and death situation. Judging by your condescending tone, I'd say the closest you've been to one of those situations is when you choked on food, or maybe nearly lost control of your car. I'll bet Cha-lee has never heard the "VOOOM" of a bullet passing through the air over head coming in your direction. Now have that happen several times, in a short period of time, then while your mind is moving at 1mi/min attempt to hit a target the size of a watermelon- that's moving. Actually smaller, because there have been several cases where headshots have not stopped the attacker. Easy on a range, in practice, when SHTF? I'll believe it when I see it.
Still, a lot of things go to complete shit when you get a no BS adrenaline dump and the physiological effects of fight/flight come into play. I've heard of the most seasoned veteran LEOs, with expert training, weekly intensive practice, and they said their accuracy wasn't even close to that on the range when they got into a shootout. I don't doubt people have the skills to compete, or even handle themselves in a shoot out, but like an old NCO told me the day before I went to the 'Stan: "A lot of guys are talk, but until they're in the middle of the shit, we'll never really know."
Last edited by Ronin13; 05-07-2014 at 00:37.
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Well Ronin, that's why I never said I could do it.
"There are no finger prints under water."
Man, the officer hit the scumbag 14 or 17 times and some actually criticize him for his shot placement? "Shoulda took head shots...." LMFAO at those folks. Frankly, all credibility is lost if you feel this. Oh yeah, IMHO.
And no, I've never had to shoot at a human (thank God). But honestly, I suspect that if I had to that I'd:
1: Shit myself
2: Do my best to stop any threat as best I can while shit ran down my leg
3: Ignore folks who criticize my actions because they weren't there
Last edited by GilpinGuy; 05-07-2014 at 02:48.
Did you not read the part where the officer said this?
I don't care what you do in USPSA...getting a better than 50% hit ratio on a moving target that's shooting back at you while you're moving as well is pretty impressive. I'd also say his training as a SWAT officer and sniper is at least as rigorous as USPSA training.The suspect was in the street on the other side of the car. “I could see him by looking under the chassis,” Gramins recalls. “I tried a couple of ricochet rounds that didn’t connect. Then I told myself, ‘Hey, I need to slow down and aim better.”
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Can we have you shoot a match while I shoot paintballs at you?
Maybe some of you guys having such a good time flaming CHA-LEE should reread op, paying particular attention to Lesson #2(in bold by the way) presented by Sgt Gramins at the SWAT conference.
Looks to me like Sgt Gramins, after the ordeal, feels more emphasis should be placed on training for head shots.
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