The "I know were I'm going" comment

[MarkCO]

So if a Judge declares that "you" are a threat to national security (because you are a white middle-aged man with an AR who went to church a few times and drives a gas guzzler) they can come take your beer and potato chips without due process?

[Wulf202]

Its there. Its in the eo about fema if I recall

There has been one hording conviction that I know of

[brutal]

Executive Order 13603. Didn't hear it on Glenn Beck, but elsewhere on AM radio.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13603
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Executive_Order_13603

I skimmed these but it didn't pop out that the .gov can take your personal stores specifically. Course there are no specifics anywhere in the document. Maybe it can be interpreted that way. If things are to the point where the .gov needs your personal stores, I doubt they would really need an EO to justify it.

The Secretary of each resource department, when necessary, shall make the finding required under section 101(b) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(b). This finding shall be submitted for the President's approval through the Assistant to the President and National Security Advisor and the Assistant to the President for Homeland Security and Counterterrorism. Upon such approval, the Secretary of the resource department that made the finding may use the authority of section 101(a) of the Act, 50 U.S.C. App. 2071(a), to control the general distribution of any material (including applicable services) in the civilian market.

[Irving]

Sounds like that is talking about controlling distribution of goods. So as long as you are not distributing anything, will you be bothered? I have a feeling that part of distributing, is obtaining as well.

[thvigil11]

Sounds like that is talking about controlling distribution of goods. So as long as you are not distributing anything, will you be bothered? I have a feeling that part of distributing, is obtaining as well.

Your quote reminds me of this for some reason.

"I don't want to sell anything, buy anything, or process anything as a career. I don't want to sell anything bought or processed, or buy anything sold or processed, or process anything sold, bought, or processed, or repair anything sold, bought, or processed. You know, as a career, I don't want to do that."

As far as the possible implications of the Ex Order. They tend to broadly interpret the law as far as what they can do, and strictly interpret the law when it comes to what the peons can do.

[SuperiorDG]

I don't like this EX stuff. The majority of society is unprepared and will think these orders are fine. The prepared will be in the minority and will have few left to stand up for them.

[sellersm]

There's much debate 'out there' about which EO can take our stuff. Some say the EO 10998 is dangerous. Others cite the National Defense Resources Preparedness EO (http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-...s-preparedness).

Here's one article: http://codegreenprep.com/2013/06/the...ther-supplies/

Bottom line? If one of the alphabet agencies wants your stuff, they can try to take it whether or not there's an EO or law that gives them authority. Their authority is in their firepower...

[Dave]

Bottom line? If one of the alphabet agencies wants your stuff, they can try to take it whether or not there's an EO or law that gives them authority. Their authority is in their firepower...

Bingo. Another reason for not letting too many know. Unfortunately I tried to make friends at my office and have had people over for BBQ's and people saw some of my stores. Haven't had many parties even with friends recently, and have been dropping hints that some of the stuff went away to make room for expanding my cave. I really have to wonder about those who went on reality shows advertising what they have.

[HoneyBadger]

I've only directly received this comment on one occasion, and it was when a bunch of military friends helped us move 2 year ago. I basically told them that if that was their plan, they had better make it worth my time.

In my mind, knowledge, wisdom, trade-able goods, MacGyver skills, friendship, and other things could all be considered "worth my time", but it would depend on the circumstances and the personal value that I place on the good or service at the time.

ETA: as far as OPSEC goes, I try not to ever reveal anything of the sort to strangers, but if I discover that someone I like shared the mutual interest, I might say something like, "Yeah, it really is smart to be prepared. We get some crazy weather in Colorado!" If someone was prying, I would also use the weather and recent disasters in Colorado to justify it. "I was on the pre-evac list when the Black Forest Fire was less than 2 miles from my house... I don't want to be caught unprepared for another mess like that."

[TheGrey]

I've only directly received this comment on one occasion, and it was when a bunch of military friends helped us move 2 year ago. I basically told them that if that was their plan, they had better make it worth my time.

In my mind, knowledge, wisdom, trade-able goods, MacGyver skills, friendship, and other things could all be considered "worth my time", but it would depend on the circumstances and the personal value that I place on the good or service at the time.

ETA: as far as OPSEC goes, I try not to ever reveal anything of the sort to strangers, but if I discover that someone I like shared the mutual interest, I might say something like, "Yeah, it really is smart to be prepared. We get some crazy weather in Colorado!" If someone was prying, I would also use the weather and recent disasters in Colorado to justify it. "I was on the pre-evac list when the Black Forest Fire was less than 2 miles from my house... I don't want to be caught unprepared for another mess like that."

Those reasons are entirely plausible! I've use the fires as reasons when I stock up; I also have used the excuse of the electrical fire we had a couple of years ago. We also send a lot of care packages overseas; you could always say something similar (...although if you don't send a care package overseas to one of our troops after that, karma's going to get you!)

You can hide preps in many places that people wouldn't think to look. Under the bed, in opaque covered containers with innocuous and disinteresting labels ("extra towels" "winter clothing" "holiday cards 2000-2013" "kitchen gadgets" "school papers" and the like), in the back corner of coat closets and so on. Think about where company (both planned and unplanned) does NOT normally go (the furnace room? a child's closet? an awkward lower cabinet in your kitchen?) and tuck things away.