striker fired pistols.. best out right now.

[mtnrider]

Common misconception. Glocks don't have a funny grip angle, in fact it's actually a very natural-pointing one. The problem is in the palm swell, the lower portion of the backstrap that bulges out ends up forcing the muzzle higher instead of forcing your wrist downward. Prior to modifying mine, the front sight would be almost an inch higher than the rear on a blind draw... afterwards there was an immediate improvement and it is now perfectly level.

Whatever you call it, it doesn't work for me :-)

[MarkCO]

RE posts #60 and 61...thus the advice by many to shoot them first. I shot Glocks for a long time, and my "natural POA" was thus modified due to many years of use. But it only took a few months to get back to "neutral" and then pick up some speed using the M&Ps.

[tim-adams]

I own guns #2, #3, and #4 and have shot cheap Russian steal case through them with no problem. Not a lot of rounds, but a few. I much as I want to like Glocks the truth is they just don't work for me and have sold every one I have purchased. The grip angle is just wrong for me.

Someone else mentioned the FNS (which I also own). Maybe worth a look? Mags may be tougher to source for that one just like the M&P full size but not imposable.

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Thanks for the info, the FN's and Sig's I classified as (sexy but $$$$$)
I also picked up a FN 5.7 and did not like the feel in my hand, pretty big, also the 5.7 is very expensive to feed $.40 + per round..

[KS63]

Is the pistol for Range Only or for CCW. Don't remember you mentioning it's intended use.

[sellersm]

Thanks for the info, the FN's and Sig's I classified as (sexy but $$$$$)
I also picked up a FN 5.7 and did not like the feel in my hand, pretty big, also the 5.7 is very expensive to feed $.40 + per round..

The FNS (or the FNX or older FNP) aren't any more expensive than the others in your list.

[tim-adams]

Common misconception. Glocks don't have a funny grip angle, in fact it's actually a very natural-pointing one. The problem is in the palm swell, the lower portion of the backstrap that bulges out ends up forcing the muzzle higher instead of forcing your wrist downward. Prior to modifying mine, the front sight would be almost an inch higher than the rear on a blind draw... afterwards there was an immediate improvement and it is now perfectly level.

I had heard of this, coming from 1911 and XDm I am not sure the glock is going to point right for me, straight out of the box..
so long as the price point is close and the reliability is up there, its just got to feel good..

i do not trash talk those guns or that gun.. everyone is built a bit differently, length of fingers, size of palm, natural wrist angle, guns are build with different ergonomics and sizing to attract customers who find that sizing/feel best for them..

what I am hearing is I am looking at the right guns, the price points are somewhat varied but the top three are pretty close (g19, M&P, PPQ) (have to check the leaver mag release)

[tim-adams]

Is the pistol for Range Only or for CCW. Don't remember you mentioning it's intended use.

its for a perm light mount and going on a tactical belt.. not carry..

[Irving]

i do not trash talk those guns or that gun.. everyone is built a bit differently, length of fingers, size of palm, natural wrist angle, guns are build with different ergonomics and sizing to attract customers who find that sizing/feel best for them..

It took me a long time to be able to shoot my M&P well. I think that is more a reflection of my desire to shoot well, than it is a reflection of the gun though.

[MarkCO]

I am not sure guys who have the arms and hands surgically altered and or hyperextended (Llames) to get the "perfect fit" is what the OP is after though.

[Irving]

I am not sure guys who have the arms and hands surgically altered and or hyperextended (Llames) to get the "perfect fit" is what the OP is after though.

For the record, he only holds his arm like that so people won't notice his visor.