striker fired pistols.. best out right now.

[cstone]

For anyone who is interested in the SIG P320, here is complete break down video.

[Fmedges]

I am between the Sig p320 and the VP9 myself. I like the ergs of the VP9, but the ability to change sizes and calibers of the p320 seems like it would be a good feature to have. Both are reasonably priced and I go back and forth on the issue.

[tim-adams]

Ok going out of town on the 8th of Nov so no Tanners for me (the other likely place to handle/buy all these handguns)
so I went to Cabellas today, and did some fit and feel..

from feel, flexibility, trigger ^=up #= splat
M&P CORE ^^# felt really good, 5" (not sure if CORE is requried) Trigger was as expected, bad
PPQm2 ^#^ felt good in the hand, the trigger was WOW!!
FNS-9 ^## the grip texture is kind of weird but seems to work, the point was nice, the trigger is terrible, worse than the M&P (and there is no apex kit for it) :-(
HK vp9 ^## grip felt good, trigger was smooth take up but extremely heavy break, did not like the leaver mag release..
g19 #^# trigger was not bad, feel still blah.. (still not a fan)
sig 320 ### did not feel good in my hands. trigger was very much mil spec, power lifting.

I guess I am a picky bastard..

was talking to a guy I met at the counter, he mentioned that the M&P can do the same trick that Glock does..
where you buy a 40 (shares mags with 357sig).. buy a 9mm barrel, and 9mm mags and have two or three (if you buy a 357sig barrel) calibers capable.
Any one know if the PPQm2 can do the 40 >> 9mm step down? (Google says no..)

I think I am going to hunt down a M&P and a PPQm2 to test fire.

[mtnrider]

What did you think of the P320? Did it feel as big as the other Sigs? I have yet to actually see one.

[tim-adams]

What did you think of the P320? Did it feel as big as the other Sigs? I have yet to actually see one.

yeah it was just a tad big for my hands, I did like the insets on the first finger/thumb line, just did not speak to me..
feel of the slide on the frame was like WOW that is some serious machining, like glass...
Trigger was milspec heavy... I would be shocked if that was a 7.5 pull..

[roberth]

I've handled a couple of P320s, I like them alot, feel almost like my P226/P229, I have large hands though. The P320 is building a really good rep for itself. The VP9 is supposed to be pretty good too, I haven't seen one yet though.

[rustycrusty]

Here's a different question to ask yourself-

what are the best shooters in the world (or the world you care about) shooting? I look at USPSA and IPSC.
-I believe there's a reason why so few people at the top shoot XD's- because it's harder to win with them. They have a VERY terrible slide weight and height over bore which translates into harder to manage recoil in any caliber to caliber comparison with most other models. HK is guilty of this too, IMO.

I look to the top competitor's choices to start my search. Out of those guns present (a shitload of glocks, M&Ps, and 1911s in extreme customized format) I look at what are in use by LE and MIL communities (much less at mil because pistol is not their game...)

Next, I look at what's got the best rep for reliability.

In in my reasoning I was left with Glock and M&P.

Glock aftermarket trigger parts parts abound and most are less than $50
M&P has the APEX trigger ~$150? Dunno- pricey.

If if you take both guns down you might think that the M&P is a slighly more complicated copy of the glock...

That's why I like my glocks. If I had to sell all but 1 pistol I would choose my g19 for everything every time.

[rustycrusty]

BTW...

the 'feels in hand' bullshit...

it's like buying a car... For comfortable seats... Not even talking about how the ride feels... Just sitting in the car in the dealership showroom... With the engine off...

Shooting characteristics of a gun have just about dick to do with comfort in hands... This is coming from a smaller glock fan- 5'9" who can fit small latex gloves

[ray1970]

I laughed at post #87.

"I look at what all the cool kids are shooting and I want to be like them so I shoot what they shoot."

[roberth]

I laughed at post #87.

"I look at what all the cool kids are shooting and I want to be like them so I shoot what they shoot."

After years of helping people find a gun they like and listening to them after their range trips I'm laughing at #88.