Thoughts on arrow weight vs arrow speed

[Rucker61]

There's always the trick pin method: http://www.rokslide.com/2012-01-09-0...ck-pinq-system

[Planner]

Elk are actually some of the easier animals to kill with a bow (that's not to say they are easy to hunt with a bow) They have a BIG set of lungs presenting a large target. Your arrow weight sounds about perfect to me, I'm not a gold tip fan (10 years ago I had some not so great results with them for target archery so I've avoided them in general) but if they are shooting well for you, that's all that really matters. People have killed thousands of elk with a long bow, so don't over-think it, You're good to go on the equipment side of things, just shoot it, A LOT, and make your shot count.

Thanks for the feedback. I have not tried any Eastons, but have shot some Carbon Express. To me, the ability to tinker on FOC with the Gold Tip and almost universal availability works for me.

I plan to shoot as much as possible! Right now, shooting about 30 arrows per day, except when it is snowing.

[Planner]

Keep the heavier arrow. 290-300 fps is still very fast. Getting over 300 is dangerous, especially for newer shooters as you lose forgiveness. Do you plan on using a rangefinder? That should eliminate you yardage estimation problems. I suggest getting out to shoot a few 3D shoots during the year. You'll learn tons about shot placement, yardage estimation, winds, uncomfortable shooting positions, and such. When you start getting wrapped around the axle about speed, remember that buys have been doing this for centuries with recurves very sucessfully. Don't try to fix software issues with new hardware.

Yes on the rangefinder. Probably will go with the Nikon archery specific model. 3D is in the plans once I zero in on my hunting configuration. Seems like a good way to practice.

[Planner]

I ran your rough numbers through the ot-2 software. Says a stiffer spine arrow is required.

Here are the screen shots that also have what prescribing are needed with the 300 spine arrow.



It's a free 10 day trial if you download it.

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Thanks, interesting program. 300 is what Bill Peligrino told me to get for that bow. He did not have any in stock or he would have set them up for me.

Given it is on the edge of acceptable for Gold Tip's chart, the Kinetics are still stiffer than a Hunter or Velocity in 300.

I looked at some of the 200 spine arrows, plus the Injexions or FMJs and they were too heavy for where I was targeting the weight.

What sold me on the Kinetics is they group better than the 6575 Carbon Express. A little stiffer and a little heavier.

[Planner]

If you are in the Springs, go run by Bill Peregrino's Archery Hut... Dude is a genius and can answer/diagnose ANYTHING bow/arrow/human error related.... Did I mention I think highly of him? lol

I have spent more than a few dollars there

[Firehaus]

I'm in the process of getting the right arrows for my bowtech 360. Given I'm at 28" @ 65lbs with a 125gr, I won't be hitting 360, but I'm close to where you are at with mine.


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[Planner]

I started with Gold Tips as well and have switched to the Easton Axis and thats what I am going to take to Africa. I shoot an Elite Energy 32 28.5 draw 70#'s, my arrows will be 450ish or 425 depending on lighted nocks or not. My FPS is 286 which puts my KE at 77ish way more than enough for any animal in North America they say. My only suggestion would be before you finalize on 1 arrow buy a few and check them out. Also you might be shooting fast enough that your 20 and 30 yard pin could be 1 then you would have a 20/30 - 40 - 50 yard pins.

Nice. I tested the Elite line (E35, Synergy), the Hoyts, G5 Prime and Rival, the Mathews HTR No Cam, plus the whole PSE line from their speed bow to the big Freak SP. I wanted to like the Elite 35 as it was my paper pick going in, but I just did not get along with it as well as the Hoyt or the PSE Freak. I did not get to shoot an Energy 32 though, impressed with the speed you posted.

Axis are the only Easton's I want to try right now, they are the same internal dimensions as the Kinetics. That being said, I have not been able to find a six-pack in the right weight in a store. May have to look at Lancaster Archery online.

My thought on the 20 pin is to actually set it more like a 15yd, so a tick low at 20, a tick high at 10.

With the CBE TEK Hybrid 3-pin, the 30yd is the floater so their site tapes are scaled to a 30 and 60yd zero. I have yet to do the 60 yd site in, but good to go at everything between 10-50.

[Planner]

I'm in the process of getting the right arrows for my bowtech 360. Given I'm at 28" @ 65lbs with a 125gr, I won't be hitting 360, but I'm close to where you are at with mine.


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How do you like that 360? I have not shot any Bowtechs. It looks like a smoking fast setup.

[Firehaus]

I'm liking it a lot. Still trying to determine pin sets. Went over to full rut today and my 10 & 20 pin are the same now. Bullseye on both. I thought my 20 & 30 was going to be the same pin, but I'm kind of liking it like this.

My first foray into speed bows. A 300fps arrow is pretty damn awesome!

I'm currently using a spot Hogg real deal sight while my tek hybrid is being sent in for repair. It's a five pin and I'm thinking about switching to a three pin. Are you liking your 3 pin?


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[Planner]

The three pin was a good choice for me. I wanted the simplicity of a single pin slider with some margin for error, and without the congested sight picture of a five pin. The front facing sight tape is what sealed the deal on the CBE over the other options I considered.

And yes, arrow speed is a drug!