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    The AR-basedhandguns and rifles utilize the same magazines and share identical receivers. These AR-typehandguns were not commercially available when the armor piercing ammunition exemption wasgranted in 1986. To ensure consistency, upon final implementation of the sporting purposeframework outlined above, ATF must withdraw the exemptions for 5.56 mm “green tip”ammunition, including both the SS109 and M855 cartridges.7
    The way I read it, because the ammunition can be used in both semi-auto handguns and rifles, the ATF has decided to vacate the previous exemption for rifles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hound View Post
    Guys....have you actually read the ATF article.... Page 1? It clearly states this is only for Handguns.
    No, it clearly states:

    It is important to note that only projectiles that meet the statutory definition of "armor piercing", i.e., those made out of the specific listed materials that may be used in a handgun are subject to the statutory restrictions.
    Pages 14 and 15 clearly explain the ATF is withdrawing the previous exemption for 5.56mm ammunition, specifically M855 and SS109 variants, and further states it will no longer be available to civilians by manufacturers, retailers and/or importers. It's not ambiguous at all. Their reasoning specifically states this is because the ammunition can be used in a handgun version of AR-15 style rifles that weren't widely available (if at all) when the exemption for M855 and SS109 variants of 5.56mm ammo were granted.
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    The BATF banned steel core 7.62X39 when someone made a pistol that could shoot it. Once there is a handgun that shoots a rifle round that is AP in the rifle the BATF will ban it. Good thing no one makes a handgun that shoots 30.06 or the CMP will be stuck with a lot of that surplus Greek that they have.
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    Pretty much any riffle can be made into a hand gun by cutting the stock off. This ruling is total bunk. The Russian ammo was done as a trial balloon. This is being done to set a precedent for banning ammo. Couple this with the lead ban being pushed and whats left to use for bullets?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sneakerd View Post
    +1 on "could care less". I can make the same hole in everything I would care to aim at with PMC 223, and that ammo is top quality.
    Strap on your Tin-Foil/FUD hat. But, someone on some other forum mused that a BHO "perk" side-affect for banning green-tips would be that with such a huge portion of the .223/556 ammo now off the table, it'd make the regular 55grn go up in price. But that's for supply/demand economists to debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KestrelBike View Post
    Strap on your Tin-Foil/FUD hat. But, someone on some other forum mused that a BHO "perk" side-affect for banning green-tips would be that with such a huge portion of the .223/556 ammo now off the table, it'd make the regular 55grn go up in price. But that's for supply/demand economists to debate.
    It's one more reason when prices were down, we still purchased reloading components. It's another panic buy, one of many to come, as long as this Islamist Sympathizing / race baiting bomb thrower is in office.
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    Another example of why the pro-2A communist is a mythical creature.
    I've seen plenty of pro-gun lefites on the internet.

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    Well, people must be hoarding M193 as well.. all the usual places seem to be out of it.

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