M855/ss109

[def90]

Guys....have you actually read the ATF article.... Page 1? It clearly states this is only for Handguns.




This looks more aimed at 5.7x28 since they have been wanting to go after that for years and since it is actual handgun ammo.

Ummm still bad but wrong ammo. Somebody is trying to start another

Looks like it might be working

The spirit of the original law passed by Congress back in the day was that this only applied to ammo originally designed for and manufactured as a handgun cartridge. The BATF has twisted the law to apply to any ammo that can be fired from a "handgun" regardless of the original manufactured intent of the ammo in question. Under the wording of the original law none of this ammo including the 7.62x39, 5.45x39 that has been banned would have ever been included. Now that people make handgun versions of AKs and ARs the BATF has decided on their own authority to twist the law to proclaim that these rifle cartridges are now handgun cartridges.

[Cujo0920]

How many so-called Second Amendment supporters have actually done anything more than whinging on the Internet in response to these incremental gun control laws? Probably no more than 3%, at best, are active NRA or RMGO members and supporters who are carrying the rest of the do-nothings on their backs.

[Zundfolge]

[tin foil hat]So the ATF signs off on the SIG Brace so that the number of AR-15 handguns will swell to the point that they can claim they are "common" ... thus making 5.56mm a "common handgun caliber" so they could ban M855 (and then double cross us on the SIG Brace too).[/tin foil hat]

The BATF has twisted the law to apply to any ammo that can be fired from a "handgun" regardless of the original manufactured intent of the ammo in question.

Thanks to Thompson Center Arms, this "logic" could be expanded to include ALL rifle cartridges (since pretty much any rifle cartridge will penetrate armor).

[Duman]

[tin foil hat]So the ATF signs off on the SIG Brace so that the number of AR-15 handguns will swell to the point that they can claim they are "common" ... thus making 5.56mm a "common handgun caliber" so they could ban M855 (and then double cross us on the SIG Brace too).[/tin foil hat]

IIRC, the fear of AR ammo bans like this were first voiced when Olympic Arms first came out with their AR pistol. Need to do some digging...

[Hound]

Well put.

The spirit of the original law passed by Congress back in the day was that this only applied to ammo originally designed for and manufactured as a handgun cartridge. The BATF has twisted the law to apply to any ammo that can be fired from a "handgun" regardless of the original manufactured intent of the ammo in question. Under the wording of the original law none of this ammo including the 7.62x39, 5.45x39 that has been banned would have ever been included. Now that people make handgun versions of AKs and ARs the BATF has decided on their own authority to twist the law to proclaim that these rifle cartridges are now handgun cartridges.

[jhood001]

[tin foil hat]So the ATF signs off on the SIG Brace so that the number of AR-15 handguns will swell to the point that they can claim they are "common" ... thus making 5.56mm a "common handgun caliber" so they could ban M855 (and then double cross us on the SIG Brace too).[/tin foil hat]



Thanks to Thompson Center Arms, this "logic" could be expanded to include ALL rifle cartridges (since pretty much any rifle cartridge will penetrate armor).

I think it is more realistic to believe that this is backlash instead of a well thought out conspiracy. From their perspective, they screwed up on the SIG brace and the SBR-loophole it created. Now they're trying to make up for it and reclaim even more ground.

[BlasterBob]

This reminds me of buying .22 ammo at some retail store and the counter clerk would ask if the .22's are intended for rifle or pistol.
if the buyer appeared to be under age and he/she responded that that ammo was for a handgun, the clerk would not make the sale.
Who knows but this may SOMEDAY happen with 5.56 and .223.
Yeah, who in their right mind would declare it is for a handgun.

[wctriumph]

Here is the email address for making comments about the proposed ban:

APAComments@atf.gov

[SamuraiCO]

The "Spirit of the Second Amendment" continues to be abridged. M855 seems to be sold out everywhere.

[wctriumph]

Its gone baby, gone. I have some posted for trade.