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    Quote Originally Posted by Jer View Post
    You are welcome to argue with me just don't present silly analogies that don't remotely apply to the situation as fact.
    This is what you are doing. You're comparing his actions to a situation that never existed. There was no person crouching behind the wall. The wall didn't have re-bar in it. No innocents were involved at all. So why even bring up the what-if's at all? It's too easy to say, "Well, if there was a double stroller holding twins just behind the wall, you'd all be singing a different tune." Sure, that's probably true, but that's not what happened, so why go to the effort to present it? I think it's okay to be happy about things that worked out, instead of worrying about events that never took place. There is enough stuff that does go wrong every day to spend time on the stuff that doesn't.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    This is what you are doing. You're comparing his actions to a situation that never existed. There was no person crouching behind the wall. The wall didn't have re-bar in it. No innocents were involved at all. So why even bring up the what-if's at all? It's too easy to say, "Well, if there was a double stroller holding twins just behind the wall, you'd all be singing a different tune." Sure, that's probably true, but that's not what happened, so why go to the effort to present it? I think it's okay to be happy about things that worked out, instead of worrying about events that never took place. There is enough stuff that does go wrong every day to spend time on the stuff that doesn't.
    This is a good point, but I think the hypotheticals do serve to point out that it is unlikely that the cop in question knew all the answers as he charged in at a relatively high speed.

    I think the outcome is good, but it is purely speculative to presume that you knew it would end exactly this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    This is a good point, but I think the hypotheticals do serve to point out that it is unlikely that the cop in question knew all the answers as he charged in at a relatively high speed.

    I think the outcome is good, but it is purely speculative to presume that you knew it would end exactly this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HoneyBadger View Post
    This is a good point, but I think the hypotheticals do serve to point out that it is unlikely that the cop in question knew all the answers as he charged in at a relatively high speed.
    You never know all the answers when you have to take action. This is as true of law enforcement as it is of combat. I think the best measure of the situation was his Chief of Police's initial reaction was "oh damn" but the Chief supported the cop after carefully considering the overall situation and facts. This coming from a position that is usually politically appointed (just look at the scurrilous remarks from the Milwaukee Chief of Police as a contrast!) and a time when police are coming under increased scrutiny and (undeserved) criticism. It would have been very easy for the Chief to take his officer to task but he didn't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    You never know all the answers when you have to take action.
    This is exactly my point.

    BG, thanks for posting that about Sully's scenario. Perfect example of taking what information you have and making the best of it.
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