Also kinda hate ruger, but this is kinda tempting to try out. Was originally going to get one of the either basic savage/weatherby vanguards, then had moved up to the Savage FCP-K or whatever alpha bet soup is the .308 threaded barrel kinda tactical looking thing. Similiar price on that mid range savage, and I imagine at it's core better barrel/gun, though I like a lot of the AR-ness in this. (Though strangely I after deciding to get the MDR, had no interest in a .308 ar as it'd really only serve for benched and I dont do that much.) Guess I'm .308 bipolar/undecided.