Anyone hunting with a 16" AR15 with a suppressor?

[huntnfishn5280]

Thinking about buying my first can for coyote hunting but was wondering if it was worth the money with the AR platform. I've read that the gas blows back in your face and the first shot can be inaccurate. Also heard that there is substantial noise from the chamber along with the gas. I would be using factory varmit loads. Any help would be appreciated. Also, any specific models to avoid? I will only be using the .223 so I don't need the 30 cal. option. Thanks.

HF5280

[sniper7]

I do, works good but I would go ar10 in 308 subsonic personally.

[huntnfishn5280]

The 30 cal. leaves too big of an exit wound for fur or I would consider it for sure.

[Storm]

... and the first shot can be inaccurate. Also heard that there is substantial noise from the chamber along with the gas.

Adding the can will change your POI, but the precision should be consistent, if not improved. Re-zero the gun with the can on it. Write down the difference in elevation and windage/azimuth settings, so you can re-zero the sight(s) on the fly, when you are swapping the can on/off.

Yea, you will get some extra noise from the breach as the gun cycles. This happened on my .22LR, which bugged me, but I was going for uber-quiet with that round. I ended up getting a bolt-action. With a super-sonic rifle round, there's going to be noise either way.

[huntnfishn5280]

I was reading somewhere that on some cans the first shot can be different than the following shots for accuracy because of heat or something. Have you ever heard that?

[Storm]

I was reading somewhere that on some cans the first shot can be different than the following shots for accuracy because of heat or something. Have you ever heard that?

The only thing I've ever heard of like that is First Round Pop (?). Which is that the first round is a bit louder than subsequent shots. I believe this is because after the first shot the suppressor is filled with burnt powder gas and that aids in dampening the report.

I would imagine that after firing a number of rounds, the barrel and suppressor will heat up and your accuracy and precision may change, but that will happen to a varying degree with an unsuppressed rifle.

In general, a suppressor will vary your precision (size of your shot group). In fact, it should improve it. Rifle barrels flex and they vibrate when you shoot through them. The longer the barrel, the greater degree the muzzle will vibrate when shot. Attaching a suppressor to the muzzle adds weight to the muzzle end of the barrel and dampens down the vibrations. This should increase your precision - make your shot group smaller.

I hope I explained that well.

[Great-Kazoo]

Adding the can will change your POI, but the precision should be consistent, if not improved. Re-zero the gun with the can on it. Write down the difference in elevation and windage/azimuth settings, so you can re-zero the sight(s) on the fly, when you are swapping the can on/off.

Yea, you will get some extra noise from the breach as the gun cycles. This happened on my .22LR, which bugged me, but I was going for uber-quiet with that round. I ended up getting a bolt-action. With a super-sonic rifle round, there's going to be noise either way.

I was reading somewhere that on some cans the first shot can be different than the following shots for accuracy because of heat or something. Have you ever heard that?

Not really

The only thing I've ever heard of like that is First Round Pop (?). Which is that the first round is a bit louder than subsequent shots. I believe this is because after the first shot the suppressor is filled with burnt powder gas and that aids in dampening the report.

I would imagine that after firing a number of rounds, the barrel and suppressor will heat up and your accuracy and precision may change, but that will happen to a varying degree with an unsuppressed rifle.

In general, a suppressor will vary your precision (size of your shot group). In fact, it should improve it. Rifle barrels flex and they vibrate when you shoot through them. The longer the barrel, the greater degree the muzzle will vibrate when shot. Attaching a suppressor to the muzzle adds weight to the muzzle end of the barrel and dampens down the vibrations. This should increase your precision - make your shot group smaller.

I hope I explained that well.

I just got lost multi quoring so i'll say this abotu shooting suppressed.

YES there's a shift with a can. Here's my 168gr BTHP Hornady (factory) r round string. Have no idea why i had 1 good and 4 fliers



I got worse with 10 rounds

[huntnfishn5280]

Thanks for the info PH. I've been watching some videos on Youtube, doing some research, and the AAC M4 2000 looks like the ticket. So what is the economical way to set up the gun trust?
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[zimagold]

I use a 20" with Thunderbeast CB9, its mainly for prairie dogs. I added a Noveske switch block, but it really wasn't needed. I shoot most things suppressed now, still use hearing protection. On a semi-auto, the action noise can be quite noticeable even with subsonic loads.

Although I own an AAC M4-2000, I would point you towards the Ti suppressors if its just for hunting. The reduction in weight is very noticeable when swinging the gun on moving targets in the field. I picked up a TBAC Ultra 7 (9.9 ounces) for my 16" 6.8 SPC hunting build and its pretty amazing the improvement with handling.

[Hoser]

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