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    Default Hick combined DOW and Parks now they have no money and want to soak the hunters/fishermen more.

    The media is saying many sportsmen are ok with raising the license fees. (double actually) are you?

    http://www.9news.com/entertainment/t...ease/310682020

    I am not willing to pay more. Why should I? We, the hunters and fishermen, pay to use our outdoors. We are forced to pay the search and rescue fee. BUT, hikers, bikers, etc, get to use all the same ground and pay nothing. Everytime SAR goes out and finds someone, we pay for it out of our fees, fees they dont pay.

    I thought there was plenty of money in the system until Hick decided to use our money to bail out parks.

    Now I realize they will raise fees and I will pay them, but I dont want to.
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    Hey, here's an idea - why not make EVERYBODY ELSE pay higher fees too? The hikers, bikers, campers, swimmers, picnickers, boaters, etc. Want to combine Parks and Wildlife into one agency, then have an equitable fee structure across the board. So that everybody pays to play equally. Let's see how well THAT flies.....
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    There is a survey in the link on the 9news article for CPW and they make the questions seem like we are the enemy if we decide not to pay higher fees. Parks and Wildlife are combined now, why only make the Wildlife side pay up? I know that is because Wildlife is the only part that can actually be successful. I filled out the survey and told them to raise the prices of the parks for camping and boating during the heavy summer months when every park is packed to the brim every weekend. And figure out a way to get hikers and bikers to pay for day use as well.
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    I think people should have to have a hiking license after a hiker safety course that teaches them things like "don't take selfies next to cliffs" and "bring a jacket", "drink water", "don't be an idiot on purpose"; they should then have to apply for HMU licenses with point preference. AND 50% of HMU licenses should go to out of state hikers so that we can share the great state of Colorado. There should be biking season, hiking season, and horse season. If someone is caught biking outside of biking season, all rights (!?) revoked, their suburu impounded, and their life utterly ruined because how dare they?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HBARleatherneck View Post
    The media is saying many sportsmen are ok with raising the license fees. (double actually) are you?

    http://www.9news.com/entertainment/t...ease/310682020

    I am not willing to pay more. Why should I? We, the hunters and fishermen, pay to use our outdoors. We are forced to pay the search and rescue fee. BUT, hikers, bikers, etc, get to use all the same ground and pay nothing. Everytime SAR goes out and finds someone, we pay for it out of our fees, fees they dont pay.

    I thought there was plenty of money in the system until Hick decided to use our money to bail out parks.

    Now I realize they will raise fees and I will pay them, but I dont want to.
    I agree with your outrage but you are incorrect about the search and rescue fees. The search and rescue fee from licenses goes into a fund that the search and rescue groups can apply to get refunded for expenses. Since many are volunteers this is one way they can get reimbursed. OHV licenses also have the fee.

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    DOW had a very nice nest egg before they combine with parks, just like the last time this happened back in the early 70's I believe it was. And just like then parks has broken both agencies. I wouldn't mind paying double for tag fees IF THEY REDUCED the amount of tags given out (counter productive I know). I also wouldn't mind paying a higher tag cost as long as everyone else paid the same increase.
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    Oh fuck no.

    i called this exact thing when they combined. Fuck the parks, let the tree hugging hippies clean up after themselves. Start cutting park personnel. There are plenty of volunteers out there just like the boat check people. Hunters manage themselves and take care of the lands quite well and a lot of us pick up after the few slobs.

    so cut paid personnel at the parks first. Cut the fat. Raise park fees. Then seperate the parks and DOW. And if after all that we are really in a situation, Then raise out of state fees. Then resident fees.
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    Parks is a suck.

    The worst part is the fees here are so much higher than neighboring states, and the sites/services suck more. PARKS personnel treat people like shit too. Apparently if you camp/boat at Pueblo Lake, you're a lowlife that deserves to be talked down to and berated. Fuck them.

    I patronize hunt/fish and camping/boating and pay lots of fees annually in addition to state income tax, vehicle registration tax, sales tax, etc.. I'm willing to pay reasonable fees but expect better use of my money. There's so much waste it's sickening. I pay for an annual park pass to enter the state park system maybe 5-6 times/year.

    DOW/Parks/State is also leasing out grazing land at higher and higher elevations in our GMU's that's killing the game feed areas and fucking the hunts.
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    Thanks for the heads up. I had no idea this was coming. I don't consider myself incredibly informed, but I was on the DOW website last week and read nothing.

    I checked out the "survey" but didn't take it. All the questions seemed to revolve around what services those of us who get off the beaten path would like to pay for rather than increasing fees at parks. By observing the crowds at state parks over the summer it seems to me that they could increase the entry fee by a substantial margin and still do alright. Reservations are required if you plan to stay over a weekend, and if you want to camp or even picnic during many other days of the week, all you can do is hope there's room available.

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    A lot of us saw this coming when they combined DOW with Parks. Look for them to try to raid the OHV fund again soon as well. All of this despite the fact that parks and rec receive huge funds from the lottery. Fuck Hickenlooper with a barrel cactus soaked in carb cleaner and ebola sauce!
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