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    Default NPAP: Single stack to Double Stack

    Found a good deal on a single stack npap (http://www.centerfiresystems.com/ri2089-n.aspx). Been looking at youtube and there are some somewhat sketchy looking videos to increase the size of the magwell to fit the double stack. Is it difficult to do? Easy to screw it up?
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    If Century or IO can do it so can you. I'm sure you can screw it up if you go too fast. Some of the videos I saw looked like crap. I would measure (twice) and mark the opening as I want it then stop before I get there and go real slow, check fit, file, check fit, and so on untill it's just right. Get reference pics of a factory double stack to help out, or if you have another ak measure all the pertinent areas.

    Is it worth it? Only for you to judge. I'm sure a competent gunsmith could do it for a reasonable fee as well.

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    You have to change the bolt out to a regular akm bolt they come with a single stack bolt. Opening the magwell is the easiest part the trunion needs to be milled also and finding a new bolt to headspace correctly will be the chalange. Unless you want a project it is easier to just buy one of the regular pap rifles

    Almost forgot after you mill the trunion you have to re rivit the two rear rivets.
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    One more thing I forgot you have to grind down the bullet guide it is thicker because the single stack mag sits higer in the mag well. The one I had once it had everything done it ran like a champ.
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    Unless you are getting it for free I wouldn't bother. You can get one ready to go for pretty cheap these days.

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    Thank you all for the advice. Sounds like a bit more than I am willing to take on.
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    Yea, unless you are looking for a project or something to mess with it is cheaper to get one of the ones that are good to go out of the box.
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    Quote Originally Posted by beast556 View Post
    You have to change the bolt out to a regular akm bolt they come with a single stack bolt. Opening the magwell is the easiest part the trunion needs to be milled also and finding a new bolt to headspace correctly will be the chalange. Unless you want a project it is easier to just buy one of the regular pap rifles

    Almost forgot after you mill the trunion you have to re rivit the two rear rivets.
    Hit or miss on the trunnion, the last 3 I did had DS trunnions and no bolt swap was needed.
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    Depends if it has a double stack trunnion or not, most of these actually have a double stack trunnion. The bolt doesn't matter, a single stack bolt will work just fine. If it is a double stack trunnion a few minutes opening up the magwell is all that is needed. If it's a single stack trunnion a bit more work is required.

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    Quote Originally Posted by def90 View Post
    Depends if it has a double stack trunnion or not, most of these actually have a double stack trunnion. The bolt doesn't matter, a single stack bolt will work just fine. If it is a double stack trunnion a few minutes opening up the magwell is all that is needed. If it's a single stack trunnion a bit more work is required.
    The ones done needed the double stack, as the s/stack had issues picking up rounds. YMMV
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