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    Default Good EOTWAWKI books?

    Looking for more reads in the same vein as James Wesley, Rawles' stuff.

    Not really into the Sovereign Citizen nonsense (i.e., name in all caps = invalid birth cert, etc.)

    Just want good old solid Constitutionalist propaganda.

    Anyone have any recommendations for standouts or things to avoid?
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    This is my last post from the Books thread in the Stickys:

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    So appropos of the 'Girl with all the Gifts' thread, it occured to me that I have accumulated a whole pile of post/apocalyptic fiction on my bookshelf. Figured I'd provide a list and my very brief thoughts on them, in no particular order:

    Oryx & Crake / Year of the Flood / Madd Adam - Margret Atwood. Apocalypse by man-engineered virus. The first book was freaking awesome. The second book sucked. The third one was average. You don't really need to read the later two to enjoy it.
    The Post Mortal - Drew Magary - Apocalypse by discovering the key to biological immortality. This is a great book that thought through several downside scenarios to immortality that I hadn't thought of or seen before.
    The Leftovers - Tom Perrotta - Apocalypse by rapture. I didn't really like this very much. I didn't care much for the follow-up series on HBO either, although I do think both Liv Tyler and Emily Meade are hot. So there's that going for the TV version.
    Robopocalypse - Daniel H Wilson - Apocalypse by sentient robots. Felt like a Terminator rip-off. Would have enjoyed it more as a teenager, I suppose.
    The Age of Miracles - Karen Thompson Walker - Apocalypse by increasing gravity. Oprah tricked me on this one. I thought she might have some good P/A taste after Cormac McCarthy's 'The Road', but I was wrong. Lot of teenage angst.
    The Road - Cormac McCarthy - Apocalypse by unknown, but probably limited nuclear war. Brilliant, dark, and realistic.
    Morte - Robert Repino - Apocalypse by sentient ants and other animals. This was ok until about 75% of the way through, when it mostly turned into a screed against religion. Picture putting Richard Dawkins, Animal Farm, and The Hunger Games in a blender.
    The Hunger Games - Susan Collins - Apocalypse by economic collapse and rebellion. Read these at the request of my wife before she would give them to our daughter. Just go see the movies. Jennifer Lawrence is hot.
    Station Eleven - Emily St. John Mandel - Apocalypse by plague. Nicely written and from a young-ish girl's perspective.
    The Pest House - Jim Crace- Apocalypse by plague. Another very well written book that explores life and society after the plague.
    The Postman - David Brin - Apocalypse by nuclear disaster. This was a good book in 1990 that didn't age quite as well. Don't see the movie. It sucked.
    Earth Abides - George R Stewart. Apocalypse by plague. This book was written in the 1940s and it has aged phenomenally well. One of the best. Takes you through 40-50 years after the plague.
    Alas, Babylon - Pat Frank - Apocalypse by nuclear war. Well written book about survival in a small town.
    Lucifer's Hammer - Larry Niven - Apocalypse by asteroid strike. Very much an 80s book. Not bad, not fantastic.
    [b]One Second After [b] - William R. Forstchen - Apocalypse by EMF attack. I hated this book and felt like it was a plot-point per plot-point rip-off of Lucifer's Hammer. I am apparently the only gun owner who hates this book.
    I am Legend - Richard Matheson - Apocalypse by Vampires. Way better than either movie.
    The Passage / The Twelve / City of Mirrors - Justin Cronin - Apocalypse by Vampires. Only the first book is decent. Way, way overrated.
    Nod - Adrian Barnes - Apocalypse by Lack of Sleep - Interesting concept, fairly executed. Solid 'B' graded short novel.
    The Gone Away World - Nick Harkaway - Apocalypse by void of information - A long, trippy novel that I am still not sure if I like or not. Very fantastical.
    The Wind Up Girl - Paolo Bacigalupi - Apocalypse by global warming and genetic engineering. Interesting in it's conception of the use of springs for storage of power.
    The Water Knife - Paolo Bacigalupi - Southwestern regional apocalypse due to water rights. Ole' Paolo's becoming a one-note kind of author, but this is a well executed and interesting study of the complexities of water rights in this region.
    The Dog Stars - Peter Heller - Apocalypse by plague. Local fiction set in Colorado. I like that he feeds his dog human organs.
    Zone One - Colson Whitehead - Apocalypse by zombies. Walking Dead for aspiring Harvard students preparing for the vocabulary portion of the SAT. Pretentious and overrated.
    A Canticle for Liebowitcz - Walter M Miller - Apocalypse by nuclear war as it repeats itself through cycles of civilization. "Fallout" long before Fallout existed. Decent.
    Spin - Robert Charles Wilson - Apocalypse by aliens. Sort of a large scale version of Steven King's "Under the Dome". Decent.
    Wool / Shift / Dust - Hugh Howley - Apocalypse by man-made virus. The first one was awesome. Other two are 'meh'.
    The Plague - Albertus Camus - Localized apocalypse by plague. I'm throwing this one in because it is a short novel, and very accessible. A remarkable meditation on disease and quarantine that is easily read and based on the author's real life experience. Plus it will give you a one-up on that pretentious hottie in the Starbucks who is majoring in literature but hasn't actually read anything more than the cliff notes to a Jane Austen novel.
    The Girl With All The Gifts - M.R. Carey - Apocalypse by Zombies - currently being discussed in GD. Has an amusing twist on when condescending flower-empowerment goes horribly awry.
    Seven Eves - Neal Stephenson - Apocalypse by Aliens blowing up the moon. Interesting in that it shifts the survival of the human race into space. Written by a guy who knows a lot about space. Decent.
    The Brief History of the Dead - Kevin Brockmeier - Apocalypse by virus. A trippy meditation on the afterlife combined with the gradual dwindling of the human race to one person struggling to survive in the Arctic.

    There are probably some more on the bookshelf that I missed, but that makes a good start for JohnnyEgo's Post-Apocalyptic Reading List.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JohnnyEgo View Post
    This is my last post from the Books thread in the Stickys:
    The Post Mortal - Drew Magary - Apocalypse by discovering the key to biological immortality. This is a great book that thought through several downside scenarios to immortality that I hadn't thought of or seen before.
    Like each new wife having more rights than the last one? What a nightmare.

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    Thank you sir.

    Any others, anyone?
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    +1 for Earth Abides and Lucifer's Hammer.

    Don't forget The Stand. Typical Stephen King mystical mumbo jumbo but a well written account of what the collapse of civilization might look like for those left behind.

    There's an Orson Scott Card book called "Folk of the Fringe." It's not a single novel, rather it is a set of interconnected stories with a common set of characters that tells what happens to the Mormon survivors of an apocalypse as they reestablish a kind of civilization - albeit Mormon civilization - in the American West. The first story in the series is called "West" and it's one of my all time favorite short stories.

    Interesting aspect is if you are expecting Mormon "propaganda" you would be surprised. He's actually rather hard on the Mormon church although it is obviously written from a sympathetic viewpoint.

    https://www.amazon.com/Folk-Fringe-O...+of+the+fringe

    Orson Scott Card is a Mormon sci-fi writer probably best known for writing "Enders game."
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    I had a better opinion of Lucifer's Hammer than JohnnyEgo. Yes, the tech is 80s but the thinking is timeless.

    John Ringo has a series out called Black Tide Rising. It's a zombie apocalypse story by an author who hates zombie apocalypse stories but is well-versed in military tech (I believe he's good friends with fellow Baen author Larry Correia). Some good stuff in there thinking about how to arm up, how to organize a post-apocalyptic societal group, etc.

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    have you read the 299 days books?

    or, the "enemies" books by Matt Braken?

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    Quote Originally Posted by funkymonkey1111 View Post
    have you read the 299 days books?

    or, the "enemies" books by Matt Braken?
    I've read James Wesley, Rawles' series and Forstchen's "One Second After". The latter was alright, but frankly I thought he wasn't as good at character development and some of the subplots were frankly just sappy. He was also less technical than Rawles.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aloha_Shooter View Post
    I had a better opinion of Lucifer's Hammer than JohnnyEgo. Yes, the tech is 80s but the thinking is timeless.

    John Ringo has a series out called Black Tide Rising. It's a zombie apocalypse story by an author who hates zombie apocalypse stories but is well-versed in military tech (I believe he's good friends with fellow Baen author Larry Correia). Some good stuff in there thinking about how to arm up, how to organize a post-apocalyptic societal group, etc.

    Baen Book is a great place for free and $$ downloads

    Quote Originally Posted by funkymonkey1111 View Post
    have you read the 299 days books?

    or, the "enemies" books by Matt Braken?
    I'm probably odd man out with the Enemies books by Bracken. Other than the 3rd in the series Foreign Enemies & Traitors. The other 2 were terrible

    This recommendation isn't TEOTWAWKI BUT............................ it's a good read. It's still referenced in Bio-hazard training & security

    I suggest a 1995 ish printed book .

    The Hot Zone.
    They made a semi boring (Loosely based) movie with Dustin Hoffman from it. However the book, if you're in to this sort of thing, moves. Factor in it's based off an incident @ the Reston VA lab involving NHP's
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    "Day of Wrath" by Forstchen is a good, short read.
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