Feedback?

[00tec]

At what point does negative feedback become a problem? There is a member here that appears to have a continuing string of stringing other members along.

Just curious...

[hurley842002]

I was going to ask the same question in his feedback thread, but figured it wasn't appropriate.

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[mattiooo]

My guess would be negative feedback should be considered before you deal with someone in the first place.

While incredibly frustrating - it's someone's right to decide not to pursue a transaction. However, keep leaving feedback, and people will eventually not even bother with beginning discussions.

I definitely check feedback now before I start dealing with someone, whether to buy or sell.

[00tec]

My guess would be negative feedback should be considered before you deal with someone in the first place.

While incredibly frustrating - it's someone's right to decide not to pursue a transaction. However, keep leaving feedback, and people will eventually not even bother with beginning discussions.

I definitely check feedback now before I start dealing with someone, whether to buy or sell.

I get that, but at some point I would think that TP access would be pulled for a period at least.

[hurley842002]

My guess would be negative feedback should be considered before you deal with someone in the first place.

While incredibly frustrating - it's someone's right to decide not to pursue a transaction. However, keep leaving feedback, and people will eventually not even bother with beginning discussions.

I definitely check feedback now before I start dealing with someone, whether to buy or sell.

While I agree with you, enough inappropriate behavior anywhere on the forum is grounds for a time out and possibly banning. Is negative behavior outside of the forum, by way of the forum not equally bad? Food for thought.

[Mazin]

My guess would be negative feedback should be considered before you deal with someone in the first place.

While incredibly frustrating - it's someone's right to decide not to pursue a transaction. However, keep leaving feedback, and people will eventually not even bother with beginning discussions.

I definitely check feedback now before I start dealing with someone, whether to buy or sell.

^THIS is exactly what the feedback thread is meant for. The site has always provided the TP but has said at the same time that it retains no rights as a mediator or broker of its members deals. While certain cases are exceptions (illegal activity etc) where the staff will step in.
The staff / site mostly relies on the fact that everyone who uses the TP has accepted the rules and if they follow them then there's really nothing left for the staff to do. The feedback thread is an accountability device and should be a precursor and a follow up to every deal that is done. Before you do a deal here check out that members feedback thread, if there is anything questionable about their deals, feedbacks or post them don't deal with them. On that same note if you do a deal and it leaves a salty taste in your mouth then LEAVE FEEDBACK.

BTW this is just IMHO

[izzy]

Perhaps a rule that you include a link to your feedback in a posting where you're trying to sell or in wanted. I know that when someone first joins they'll have no feedback, just a thought.

[mattiooo]

Again, I get your frustrations. However, this is not an auction site, where a bid on an item or listing an item is a binding agreement. The only thing in the TP Terms and Conditions regarding this is:
Member Disputes: You are solely responsible for your interactions with other Colorado AR-15 Shooters Members. Colorado AR-15 Shooters reserves the right but has no obligation, to monitor disputes between you and other Members.

I agree completely someone should have privileges removed for breaking rules. I just don't see a rule being broken.

I also agree people should be courteous. You shouldn't have to have a rule for that. Some people aren't. Thankfully we have a way of letting each other know who doesn't play nicely.

Also food for thought.

FYI...I fell victim to the same from the same person - trying to do a trade on a BCG, and it was the first time I had trouble with *anyone* in TP. It's the reason I now check feedback.

[izzy]

There is this: https://github.com/heatware/vbulleti...eedback-plugin

[theGinsue]

My guess would be negative feedback should be considered before you deal with someone in the first place.

While incredibly frustrating - it's someone's right to decide not to pursue a transaction. However, keep leaving feedback, and people will eventually not even bother with beginning discussions.

I definitely check feedback now before I start dealing with someone, whether to buy or sell.

This.

I get that, but at some point I would think that TP access would be pulled for a period at least.

This has been considered. In fact, the staff began a discussion about this recently. So, do we make it permanent, or temporary? While many of us agree that it would feel good to do, we don't think it would ultimately change the members behavior if the TP ban is temporary. Can we really justify a perm TP ban or would it just come off as being "more proof of heavy handed mods"? It seems like the best course of action is either a perma ban from the site or no action by the staff and let the feedback system be our members guide in whether or not to do business with another member.

Perhaps a rule that you include a link to your feedback in a posting where you're trying to sell or in wanted. I know that when someone first joins they'll have no feedback, just a thought.

No one, including the staff, wants to have to add yet another rule to the site. In fact, we regularly look at the existing rules to see what can rules can be removed. Many of us who've been on the site for several years can remember when we had far fewer rules than we have now. Over time we've had to add more and more rules to correct illegal or inappropriate behavior. Each time it caused the staff pain to add in more crap for people to remember to stay in good graces here. We recognize the need for rules but want all of our members to feel they have freedom to express themselves. Unfortunately, sometimes we have to dictate decency and respectful behavior. Let's not look to add to the rules unless it's absolutely necessary.

There is this: https://github.com/heatware/vbulleti...eedback-plugin

Interesting. We'll have to look into this some more but it has promise.


I'm tracking on the member whose behavior is driving this discussion. This weekend I reviewed every post the member made since 2006 and found that while their post count is under 30 (TP posts aren't reflected in your post count), realistically of the 350+ posts this member has made I only found 5 that weren't TP related - and of all of those deals the member participated in I only saw 1 feedback post he left for another member. It disgusts the staff. This member doesn't care that we are a DISCUSSION forum with the benefit of a Trading Post instead of the other way around.


Ultimately, unless a tool like the plug-in referenced above is added we need to use the feedback system honestly every time we do a deal; first by deciding if you want to do business with the member and secondly after the deal is done to aid other members to make their decisions later. If this occurs, the situation will ultimately self correct. But, if you continue to feed the dragon, the dragon will continue to burn down your villages.