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It's not that bad. 8.1 lbs is fairly typical for a 308 especially an 18 inch 308. M17s, mdr, tavor 7 are all around 8 to 8.5.Originally Posted by omega1
Well that's kind of the thing. I wouldn't buy them at full price which is why it's never even crossed my mind. But an rfb for 1100 is half the price of any other 308 bullpup. I don't like that you can't clear or see hand easily thoigh.
Same on ksg. I never considered it at 900 but now you can get them at 575. That's not too shabby. I've just heard so many stories of keltec lemons not to mention there are virtually no parts for them made by third parties. No barrels, grips, triggers, etc. That makes it a little dicey because it means you are 100 percent reliant on keltec to continue their design and to even continue as a company.
I have a sub2000 I have not gotten a chance to shoot yet. So far it does what I want it to: collapse into a small footprint and be light, take my pistol's mags. Assuming it shoots and doesn't have jamming problems, it will be the new "drive to denver" gun.
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The company has been in business since 1991. Not quite as long as Remington or S&W but they’ve been cranking out and selling firearms for over twenty five years. Not to say they couldn’t go belly up tomorrow but they apparently must be turning enough profit to keep the owners in the lifestyle they’re accustomed to.
My RDB is much better made than I expected it to be ... side by side with a Tavor its every bit as well made. The guy I work with has two Sub2000s that he says are a hoot to shoot and have given him no problems.
My wife's got a P3AT that is wonderful to carry, but horrible to shoot (but it does always go bang, so it works, it's just not comfortable to shoot).
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True but you have to wonder how they will do when the owner passes on. He's not super young after all and seems to be the brains behind it. Also it seems no one ever makes spare parts third party. I mean the rfb barrel especially would be a real problem because of its weird dimensions.
I'm just playing devils advocate. I appreciate info both positive and negative, I'm just try8ng to convince myself one way or another. The ksg is unique enough that at 575 I probably couldn't lose money. The rfb is trickier. It's half the cost of other 308 bullpups but also uses difficult to find mags and has almost no modularity. Also it sounds as though keltec plans to replace it some day with a rdb version. The other 308 bullpup options would be the mdr, tavor 7, and k&m m17s, all this their pros and cons but all north of 2k. Hmmm....
But to that note at some point doesn't everyone stop making their model of xxxxx at some point, but the demand doesn't drop for it. Example: security six
I think what makes most of the Kel Tecs seem cheap and poorly made to me are the way they have tons of little nuts and bolts holding all of the plastic together. Kind of like the way cheap toy guns are put together in China. Almost like rather than engineer something quality they just said f**k it we'll make a left and a right half and we'll run to Ace Hardware and get some nuts and machine screws and just bolt the plastic together.
Likely not much of a market for them. Kel Tec built its reputation around offering a cheaply priced product. People who buy products because they're cheap usually aren't interested in tossing a bunch of money into upgrading their stuff. In other words, no demand for aftermarket support means no supply.
Have owned a RFB RDB and a KSG. They are interesting firearms, but there was always a few things that made me get rid of them. KSG required you to nearly kill your shoulder to cycle the stupid thing reliably (have bad shoulders). RFB ended up jamming up really bad on me twice so i sold it. also didn't hold up well between cleanings. ~300 rounds and it was clean or adjust your gas system every 30 rounds or so (gen1). RDB actually worked fine, but it was quite awkward and really wasn't more than a range rifle so i sold it. I hear the new RFB's are working fine once they did a few generational upgrades to the system... wouldnt buy another one though as they cost more than when i bought one now a days.
I like my RDB quite a lot. It has not jammed in any way and is good ergos me
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