Huge Surprise: 2013 Colorado gun laws have virtually no effect

[MED]

Firearms laws do nothing except piss off the people who care about following the law. I think Colorado's bills did exactly what they were designed to do because anybody that observed the process knows they held nothing but contempt for Colorado's lawful gun owners. Their unwillingness to amend a CCW license exemption in the background check law is proof of that. Too much evidence was presented during the hearings to be ignorant to the fact that these laws will accomplish absolutely nothing. Secondly, as legislators both at the state and federal level pass more and more stupid legislation, more and more people will become less and less willing to follow their stupid laws.

[Zundfolge]

Firearms laws do nothing except piss off the people who care about following the law. I think Colorado's bills did exactly what they were designed to do because anybody that observed the process knows they held nothing but contempt for Colorado's lawful gun owners.

The ultimate goal of these laws is to get Republican and Libertarian gun owners to say "fuck it I'm moving to Idaho", thus bluing the state a little bit more.

[GilpinGuy]

The ultimate goal of these laws is to get Republican and Libertarian gun owners to say "fuck it I'm moving to Idaho", thus bluing the state a little bit more.

We're planning on doing just that - voting with our feet and taking our taxes to Idaho. The outlook here is grim. I'm not going to remain here and be like the CA gun owners who say they're "fighting the good fight" against all odds. Call me defeatist if you want.

And our reason for leaving is not all about the gun laws, of course. There's a list of reasons.

[CS1983]

We're planning on doing just that - voting with our feet and taking our taxes to Idaho. The outlook here is grim. I'm not going to remain here and be like the CA gun owners who say they're "fighting the good fight" against all odds. Call me defeatist if you want.

And our reason for leaving is not all about the gun laws, of course. There's a list of reasons.

+1; just a matter of time for us as well.

[Zundfolge]

We're planning on doing just that - voting with our feet and taking our taxes to Idaho. The outlook here is grim. I'm not going to remain here and be like the CA gun owners who say they're "fighting the good fight" against all odds. Call me defeatist if you want.

And our reason for leaving is not all about the gun laws, of course. There's a list of reasons.

I was going to come here and give you a hard time and call you a quitter but I'm busy looking at real estate in the Rapid City area.

[CS1983]

I was going to come here and give you a hard time and call you a quitter but I'm busy looking at real estate in the Rapid City area.

I was looking at Rapid City. Housing costs are not drastically lower and the only real IT job I could find at the time was for Strider sports (the little kid bike company). They wanted a generalist (SQL DB, Network, and Sys admin w/ experience etc.). Salary? 20-24 dollars/hr. I laughed.

[Skip]

I was looking at Rapid City. Housing costs are not drastically lower and the only real IT job I could find at the time was for Strider sports (the little kid bike company). They wanted a generalist (SQL DB, Network, and Sys admin w/ experience etc.). Salary? 20-24 dollars/hr. I laughed.

Do what the Commiefornians did...

Sell your house with a ton of equity. Move. Buy new house for cash and have a similar lifestyle with less cost requiring less income. Less income also means less taxes.

Or invest it and let it help supplement a lower salary. Buy a rental property (again, for cash) and cash flow $800-1K/month.

I know we're all different, but I put a $2K check in the mail each month for my mortgage (extra principal payment, the required is much lower than that). So not having that mortgage means I could make $24K less each year. But the cost of making that $24K is much higher than $24K. Figure taxes and such and I probably need to make around $30K to bring home $24K net to pay housing. So I could do without $30,000 in salary if I had a paid off house.

Can you tell I have the same thoughts as some of you?

[68Charger]

Do what the Commiefornians did...

Sell your house with a ton of equity. Move. Buy new house for cash and have a similar lifestyle with less cost requiring less income. Less income also means less taxes.

Or invest it and let it help supplement a lower salary. Buy a rental property (again, for cash) and cash flow $800-1K/month.

I know we're all different, but I put a $2K check in the mail each month for my mortgage (extra principal payment, the required is much lower than that). So not having that mortgage means I could make $24K less each year. But the cost of making that $24K is much higher than $24K. Figure taxes and such and I probably need to make around $30K to bring home $24K net to pay housing. So I could do without $30,000 in salary if I had a paid off house.

Can you tell I have the same thoughts as some of you?

This was also one of my reasons for relocating to TX... sold house in Penrose for about $420k, bought property with 3 houses for $296k, after applying equity and spending money to renovate one of the homes, my mortgage will be down to $80k. Keep making higher payments like its still a $280k loan, and it will be gone quick... after renovating one of the houses, I can rent it out for $800-1000 per month... or just get $100-120 per night on First Monday weekend... even more if we setup as BnB. I'm even going to diversify by investing in cattle (partially for ag property tax break).

[Zundfolge]

I was looking at Rapid City. Housing costs are not drastically lower and the only real IT job I could find at the time was for Strider sports (the little kid bike company). They wanted a generalist (SQL DB, Network, and Sys admin w/ experience etc.). Salary? 20-24 dollars/hr. I laughed.

According to here, Rapid City is cheaper than Colorado Springs, and housing is 21% cheaper there
http://www.bestplaces.net/cost-of-li...-city-sd/50000

[GilpinGuy]

I was going to come here and give you a hard time and call you a quitter but I'm busy looking at real estate in the Rapid City area.

I wasn't calling you out personally. It was a general statement.

It looks like we can sell our place here and buy one for cash. Pooof! No mortgage opens up lots of opportunities for us as far as home schooling the kiddos, actually persuing something we enjoy for income instead of what makes the most ching and a better quality of life in general. Seems like a no brainer to me .