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Those would make a lot more sense then. I don't like the idea of a laser rf in because of failure. I have used the range finding reticle in scopes and they are great for quick estimation.
Binoculars are worth their price by far. You can't shoot what you can't see, or stalk up on it to shoot. I switched to Vortex Viper HD 10x50 about 5 years ago and have been more than impressed. Great color contract, clarity, and low light vision at prime times. I see way more and they compete with higher value brands. $250 is too cheap to me for good binoculars unless you find a screaming deal on a used set.
https://www.amazon.com/Vortex-Optics...ars&th=1&psc=1
42mm binos with good glass are much better than cheap binos in 50mm with crappy glass.
Near your price range I'd look at these: https://mavenbuilt.com/c-series-binoculars/
You also might consider tripod mounting them. Definitely worth the weight.
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Picked these up and compared with Razor HD 12x50 and Swaro's. I checked these out at Cabela's when sun was above foothills, setting behind foothills and at legal light and beyond. I could not justify spending $650 more for the Razors where I saw a smidge better color after going back and forth 8-10 times before I noticed. The Swaro's were better in eye refief but with my eyes it was still hard to see a difference greater than 5% in color, contrast, edge to edge and glare reduction. Also $2000 more than my Meopta's.
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https://www.sportoptics.com/meopta-m...rs-562550.aspx
Those are more in line price wise with the Vortex Vipers, did you do a comparison with those?Originally Posted by Blowby
Spend money on both!
For sub $300 bino I would get the Steiner 8x or 10x
For mid-range the Mavin's are supposed to be fantastic.
For all the cash look at Swaro or Meota $2k
For LRF combo I run the Rudolph Optics http://rudolphoptics.com/rudolph-bin...er-8x42-1800m/ I might be able to get you a discount on these.
I used to run the Bushnell ARC/Mile Combo and the were good although the glass wasn't great.
Vortex and Nikon now have Bino/LRF combos for around $1k the lasers are only ok on these, but may be fine for hunting ranges.
For all the cash get the Leica HD-B +$2k
I think the combo is the way to go. As others have said, you will be on your binos all day and on your rifle for minutes. Either way, you can't hit what you can't see (or can't find).
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Plus, their guarantee can't be beat. With the exception of loss or theft, they will replace the binos with no questions asked. You drive over them? They replace. Your kid scratches the lenses? They replace. You leave them on the roof of your work truck and your partner drives over them? They replace.
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Learn from my mistake: never look through binoculars you can't afford or are unwilling to pay for.
I was invited on a "sunset cruise" in Key West a few years back, which invariably lead to low light conditions where poor optics really start to show their flaws. Over appetizers on the boat I noticed a woman (obvious birder) who had a pair of Leica binoculars. I struck up a conversation and asked if I could look through the binoculars. The boat was pitching a bit in the swells coming through Calda Cut and so it wasn't a perfect scenario for judging optics but it was still blatantly obvious that they were, by far, the best binoculars I'd ever looked through (my own binoculars are Kalhes which I paid $900 for). A week later I mentioned the experience to a friend who was the store manager at a resort in Key Largo and he said he had those in stock and could get them for half off retail for me....bringing them down to a paltry $1,800! I stopped by the marina the next day, took them out on the deck and looked at boats moored anywhere from 100-1,000 yards away. The glass is just astounding...but still too spendy for how often I use binoculars. My Kahles will have to suffice.
Lesson: best not to even look through glass you aren't willing to buy, -because then you realize how much better things can be. I should have learned my own lesson when I briefly switched to Leica glass for photo reasons but I stupidly looked through those Leica binoculars....they were really far better than any binoculars I've looked through, I thought they were noticeably better than Swaro's.
Leaves the Vipers in the dust. If you are around South Boulder I can let you look for yourself.
Interesting.. the reviews at Allbinos.com has them pretty even. The main difference and point against the Meoptas seems to be that they have a bit more distortion around the edges.
Vipers:
https://www.allbinos.com/index.html?...tki&test_l=114
MeoPros:
https://www.allbinos.com/index.html?...tki&test_l=311
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