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    Default How to get better?

    Ok, so I started getting to the range more and had a thought: Now what? I have been shooting for 3 decades but not really training.

    How do I get better at shooting rifles? What training regimen? How to track if I am improving?
    The range has 25, 50, 100, 200. What to do for AR? What to do for "precision" rifle?

    I know we have some 3 gun and PRS gurus here. Can any of you recomend a regimen for the following:
    +AR 20/30 rounds per session
    +Bolt gun 10/20 rounds per session

    Also any pointers to understanding density altitude and any other things that will help with bolt guns? I zeroed my rifle, now how do I get from holes on paper to sub 1moa at 200 yards first shot everytime?
    I understand there is no shortcuts, but I don't think I even know where this trail starts.

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    If you don't want to join some matches, look up some popular drills and go from there.
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    Tibosaurusrex has a YouTube series about understanding the long gun that is pretty good. It's quite in depth and will take many evenings to get thru.

    It's no replacement for hands on but the book knowledge has to come from somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by Erni View Post
    Ok, so I started getting to the range more and had a thought: Now what? I have been shooting for 3 decades but not really training.

    How do I get better at shooting rifles? What training regimen? How to track if I am improving?
    The range has 25, 50, 100, 200. What to do for AR? What to do for "precision" rifle?

    I know we have some 3 gun and PRS gurus here. Can any of you recomend a regimen for the following:
    +AR 20/30 rounds per session
    +Bolt gun 10/20 rounds per session

    Also any pointers to understanding density altitude and any other things that will help with bolt guns? I zeroed my rifle, now how do I get from holes on paper to sub 1moa at 200 yards first shot everytime?
    I understand there is no shortcuts, but I don't think I even know where this trail starts.

    First make sure you, your rifle and ammo are capable of 1 MOA accuracy.

    After that its just trigger time with good ammo. Most likely you wont get there with cheap bulk pack 55 fmj and for sure green tip wont get there.

    Semi-Autos are difficult to shoot well with the really long lock time compared to a bolt gun. Follow through is everything.

    For an accurate AR make sure it has a decent free floated barrel and a good trigger.

    Inside 600 yards density altitude and stuff like that wont make too much difference.

    For training just spend some time shooting groups or dots at 100-200 yards with your semi. Don't be in a hurry. Maybe 30-50 rounds. Wrap it up with the same accuracy drills with your bolt gun.
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    This might sound silly but I find shooting at three to five hundred yards more productive for honing skills.

    Why you ask?

    At one hundred and even two hundred yards small errors in form sometimes aren?t easily noticed or recognized. Those little errors in technique become rather obvious as distance increases. Also, I find the longer the shot the more focused I am on doing everything right.

    Take this advice with a grain of salt as I?ll be the first to admit I?m not the best shooter.

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    So this training is aimed at my every 2 weeks range trips with the limitation of 200yrds max. I would love to shoot longer range but doubt I will be able to have a weekend free for several more years. Irv, I love matches, but they are hardly the place to work technique or to improve. Matches are great at showing me where I suck, whats wrong with my gear, and highlight what I need to work on, but that's just me.
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    You should attend an Appleseed 2 day shooting clinic. They are inexpensive ($60) and the instruction is phenomenal, best $60 and 16 hours you'll spend, period. (And if you are a vet, even cheaper at $20) They are done for this year, but usually have 5-9 Colorado events a year at Boulder, Nunn or CRC. The people that poo poo it off as a .22LR event without "real manly guns" are those that could probably use the instruction the most. I am still amazed at how much I learned at an appleseed even with 20+ years shooting under my belt.

    https://appleseedinfo.org/

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    High lighting where you suck is a great first step because then you can select drills with greater focus.
    "There are no finger prints under water."

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    22s are one of the best training tools out there.
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    I wrote this plan for someone else.

    Here's the training program I recommend. This first section addresses shooter skill, not compensating
    for bullet drop (external ballistics). I'll address that at the end.

    Step 1 - Learn to shoot prone. This is a huge deal. It's the
    foundation of all precision shooting. Shooting prone gives you the
    opportunity to experience the most stable possible position. When you
    are stable, you can work on fundamental skills like trigger squeeze,
    head pressure, bipod loading, recoil management, etc. I'll explain all
    those as we goes along.

    I informally teach prone fundamentals. Failing that, you can probably find that instruction on-line somewhere.

    Step 2 - Practice prone. Your prone position needs to be automatic and
    instinctive. Once you have the fundamentals down and know how to get
    into your prone position, it's time to work it. Basically, you'll start
    shooting 5 round groups at 100 yards. You'll strive to shrink
    your group size. You'll also strive to have your groups always land in
    the same spot on the target. Very subtle changes in your position can
    affect your POI (point of impact, different from your point of aim), and
    your goal is to be so consistent that your POI is stable and your groups
    small. During your practice, you'll be experimenting with a number of
    variables like your grip, where you place your finger on the trigger,
    how much head pressure to use, how much to load the bipod, etc. During
    all this, your body will be hardening up to the discomfort of prone.

    Prone practice also involves dry fire. Dry fire is practice without actually
    firing a shot. You do everything exactly the same as if you were planning to
    shoot a target, but the hammer falls on an empty chamber. It is a PROFOUND
    training tool, in some ways superior to actually shooting. In dryfire, we watch
    to see how the reticle moves on the target when the hammer falls. We can learn
    a lot about what we're doing wrong by observing when and how the reticle moves.

    Step 3 - Get your prone baseline. Once you're practiced up and feeling
    confident, then it's time to really measure the accuracy of your
    gun-ammo-shooter combination. Let's say for the sake of argument that
    you can put 5 shots into 1 1/2" consistently at 100 yards. Now you
    know the basic accuracy potential of your system. Your goal as a precision
    shooter in the prone should be 1 MOA or better. At 100 yards, it's five shots into an inch.


    Step 4 - Try new positions. You've got your accuracy baseline, now it's
    time to try all the other positions. Your goal should be to get as
    close to your baseline as possible. Many positions won't be very close
    at all. You should practice as many different positions as you can imagine
    encountering in the field. Examples are kneeling shooting off a stump, standing
    supported by a tree branch, seated off a log, etc.

    Part of trying new positions is learning how to BEST shoot from a given position.
    We strive to use bone support or artificial support for the rifle, never muscle support.
    This is the fun part There are all sorts of little
    tricks a shooter can use to improve accuracy that aren't immediately obvious.

    I generally start every practice session with a couple of prone groups just to confirm
    that the gun and I are both working as expected.


    External Ballistics is the easy part. We can generate drop data (commonly called
    DOPE or Data On Previous Engagements) in just a few minutes. All that is required
    is to measure how fast your bullets are exiting the barrel with my chronograph, and then measuring the
    height of the scope centerline above the center of the bore. If we know the make and
    model of the bullet, we input that into a ballistic solver program and it spits out your
    drops at whatever distances you like. It helps to know the approximate elevation of the
    area you plan to hunt since the bullets path is significantly affected by air density.
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