Ugh i figured i missed it. Usually go back to Michigan... maybe ill go back to NE... never shot one in Colorado. Have a good spot but its a draw unit.. i could try OTC again... went to rampart one year and didnt hear or see any... if anyone has a spot and wants to chase some with blinds or i suppose wothout let me know. Have to double bulls that work great for the plains but i am not lugging them up and down hills :-)