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    CWD can turn into CJD. It is called a zoonosis when the animal gives a human a disease. In 1996 I saw hundreds of dead deer carcasses from this disease. It was horrible to see such devastation. Stuff like this won't make the news, it scares off the tourists. This was in the northwest corner of Colorado. Sorry I don't have any photographs of this horrible occurrence.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy View Post
    CWD can turn into CJD. It is called a zoonosis when the animal gives a human a disease. In 1996 I saw hundreds of dead deer carcasses from this disease. It was horrible to see such devastation. Stuff like this won't make the news, it scares off the tourists. This was in the northwest corner of Colorado. Sorry I don't have any photographs of this horrible occurrence.
    I have heard some "hot spots" in the NW region are running up to 24% positive in the buck population. Also some studies indicating the prions are being "expressed" through plant tissue. Crazy disease.

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    CWD is always fatal, but not right away. Hundreds of dead deer wasn't from CWD.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irving View Post
    CWD is always fatal, but not right away. Hundreds of dead deer wasn't from CWD.
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    It looked like a battle ground. Dead deer everywhere, just rotting. Not even any raptors were seen. It was CWD. I don't know the vector, which is the method it is spread. Report below says prions can be found in deer saliva. There will not be any serious research done until this affects livestock. Remember a virus mutates every transmission, in other words it uses your DNA to replicate. I find virology fascinating. I would heed the warning seriously.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy View Post
    It looked like a battle ground. Dead deer everywhere, just rotting. Not even any raptors were seen. It was CWD. I don't know the vector, which is the method it is spread. Report below says prions can be found in deer saliva. There will not be any serious research done until this affects livestock. Remember a virus mutates every transmission, in other words it uses your DNA to replicate. I find virology fascinating. I would heed the warning seriously.

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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chronic_wasting_disease
    Not that I'm an expert, but my understanding is that stuff like CWD and Mad Cow don't even rise to the level of complexity of a virus. They're mis-folded proteins that manage to propagate through an animal, eventually killing it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy View Post
    It looked like a battle ground. Dead deer everywhere, just rotting. Not even any raptors were seen. It was CWD. I don't know the vector, which is the method it is spread. Report below says prions can be found in deer saliva. There will not be any serious research done until this affects livestock. Remember a virus mutates every transmission, in other words it uses your DNA to replicate. I find virology fascinating. I would heed the warning seriously.

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    That wouldn’t be CWD..

    Steve Rinella had a good podcast about CWD.. basically if you dont eat the brains or spinal material the odds of it transferring are slim if it is able to at all.

    If you harvest the neck meat they recommend that you remove the meat from the spine/bones, many people take the whole neck and roast it on the bone, dont do that and you should be fine.

    Wisconsin had a massive over population of deer and they made an attempt at wiping out the disease by basically opening up the deer season and giving out unlimited tags. If CWD was transferrable it probably would have happened already with the number of infected deer out there.

    There is also a “theory” out there that CWD has always been around and its just a matter of us recently discovering it and now of course as we increase testing we will also see an increase in positive tests.
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    Let's not pretend that CDW is being ignored, because it definitely isn't. Prions aren't really a virus, they are protein, which is why it is so difficult to kill. From the way I understand CWD, it is a slow killer, so to see hundreds of deer dead all at the same time would like like having hallways of hospitals filled with dead people all having died from heart disease at the same time.
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    That's kind of a funny article in that it even suggests that a 9% increase in licenses sold is from hipsters. Also the line about selling game meat at a farmers market. Nice to see increased exposure from that side politically though.
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    Not CWD. That'd be like a bunch of people with Alzheimer's dying all of a sudden. It can happen, just not from the disease (nursing home bus flying off a cliff).

    Prions are weird shit. Not viral, nothing to do with DNA. Cooking doesn't help. Think of it sorta like those reusable heatpacks they used to sell, with the metal disc inside. Or supercooled water videos on youtube. Kick it off and it spreads. A single screwed-up version of "stuff" ends up corrupting the rest. Crystals in solution for the hot packs/ice, prions in protein for critters.

    Once a protein has been transformed (folded) into a prion form, there's no going back. It's like trying to uncook an egg.

    The thing that unsettles me is that Prions are now demonstrated to be persistent in soil and vegetation for YEARS (infectious after 26 months buried, in one study), long after any animals have been present. You could wipe out every deer and elk today, reintroduce in X years, and it could come back from them grazing in previously-infected areas.

    Monkey and transgenic mouse models are mixed on transmission from consumption. I've chatted with some epidemiologist types - I get the feel that most think it's out there in people, but it's infrequent/slow/not particularly disease-causing, or is misdiagnosed as other TSEs and dementias. Keep in mind that 10% of people get alzheimer's, and by age 90, something like 40% of people will have some sort of dementia, and given the lack of cures and lack of concern with the elderly, almost nobody gets additional screening like Amyloid plaque scanning. We'd just never know.

    Personally? Don't take the weird deer. I avoid CNS material. I won't feed to kids. I'll feed to dogs and myself, as I'm older and if it does cause disease in people, it probably wouldn't take hold of me before my time is up anyway (the Fukushima retiree approach)
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