Quote Originally Posted by marineimaging View Post
Well, I have come to the conclusion that defending the .223 for deer hunting is pretty much a lost cause. So far nobody has answered my original question. Where are the facts? Who hunted deer with a .223, took an ethical shot, and watched the deer jump up and run off with a .223 bullet in it. Deer is deer in Texas or Colorado or Maine or New York and they will fall to a .223 just as sure as a .243. I say that as with any firearm the distance, placement, the proper bullet, ethics, and accepting responsibility are all key factors in making a humane shot - but for some reason the majority will acquiesce to the makers of the laws no matter how unreasonable or how old, or how lacking in facts the law is. And, they will give away rights and freedoms rather than argue because there is the assumption that studies and data are foolproof, if, and that is a BIG IF, they were even considered. And therein is the problem. People will just go with the flow until we no longer have any freedoms left. To my knowledge nobody with reason and ethics can leave the camp and engage a deer and NOT know that they are incapable of making the shot. The same shame would apply to a .243, 308., 30-06, or 338. Don't take the shot if you can't be sure of making it. Because there are people who have no ethics, because there are outlaws, because there are just plain stupid people in the woods is not a reason to outlaw a gun or a caliber which science says is more than adequate. The End.
An easy phone call to folks who get paid to talk to you is all it takes to get the info you're asking for. Yet you have spent couple days jousting with us and now want to lecture us, take us to task for being cowards?