The New Wave of Double Stack Micro Compacts

[arbol]

I do understand that argument, and carried my striker fired pistol, chambered, for a very long while. But it tends to wear on you. Plus I carry Ruger, not Glock. Glock has a lot of patents that I don't think Ruger has, and I am not sure they are quite as safe (but they probably are.)

The peace of mind that I am afforded by knowing that there is no direct relationship between that bullet and my body, is important to me.

[William]

I upgraded from a P238 7 round capacity 380 to 365XL 13 round capacity in 9mm and love it. I got the no safety version and carry chambered. If I need it don't want to screw around with trying to rack the slide. If your not comfortable with that then still better to carry something than nothing at all.

[fitz19d]

I do understand that argument, and carried my striker fired pistol, chambered, for a very long while. But it tends to wear on you. Plus I carry Ruger, not Glock. Glock has a lot of patents that I don't think Ruger has, and I am not sure they are quite as safe (but they probably are.)

The peace of mind that I am afforded by knowing that there is no direct relationship between that bullet and my body, is important to me.

How does it wear on you...

I think there's either in some cases people don't shoot enough to be truly comfortable around the tool or just have a mindset to be carrying.

Don't get me wrong I don't advocate throwing a gun loose in the pocket, but secure in a iwb holster, the only real conceivable problem is being careless upon unholstering. And if you are clumsy, then having a safety isn't going to prevent someone from making the oopsie they are afraid of.

[ManOnTarget]

I Carry the 365, normal size, with a safety. I have big hands and was a little nervous that the safety would be hard to manipulate. Turns out it is nice and large and easy for me to work. And as far as timing and speed goes, if you train with it then a ms won?t slow you down at all. Most of the fastest idpa/uspsa guys are using 2011s or other sa guns with a large manual thumb safety. They?re still fast?..


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[Gman]

How does it wear on you...

I think there's either in some cases people don't shoot enough to be truly comfortable around the tool or just have a mindset to be carrying.

Don't get me wrong I don't advocate throwing a gun loose in the pocket, but secure in a iwb holster, the only real conceivable problem is being careless upon unholstering. And if you are clumsy, then having a safety isn't going to prevent someone from making the oopsie they are afraid of.

This is one of the things I like about my Walther PPS. I put my thumb on the rear cover plate when holstering IWB. If anything like my cover garment grabs the trigger on the way in the holster, the striker will move back to the hole in the cover plate against my thumb and let me know that there's a problem...before there's a problem.

[mattiooo]

I'm going to jump in here as I've been pocket carrying a PPS M2 for years anytime I'm not carrying something larger (currently a PPQ Q4 with RMR and TLR-1 or an HK P2000 with TLR-7). I love the pistol but, I really wanted to have a red dot on it, and didn't love it enough to spend double the price of the gun to mill out the slide. On top of that, adding 4 rounds to my flush fit mag and 6 rounds to the backup mag was really appealing. But barring that, I would still feel very comfortable continuing to carry it.

Last night I pulled the trigger and ordered the Hellcat OSP and a Holosun 507Kx2 plus a Nightstick light/laser made for the Hellcat. I didn't particularly want a laser, but the options for the Hellcat lights were pretty limited. I was awful close to getting the Shield Plus, but I believe all my carry pistols should have a light, and the Shield didn't have a front rail. If it had a rail, I was going to go that way for sure. I know there is a lot of debate about pistol-mounted lights versus handheld lights, but for me, it's pretty easy. I had a stroke 6 years ago, and I have some residual issues, including balance and left side weakness. I don't trust my left hand in a stressful situation.

[arbol]

How does it wear on you...

I think there's either in some cases people don't shoot enough to be truly comfortable around the tool or just have a mindset to be carrying.

Don't get me wrong I don't advocate throwing a gun loose in the pocket, but secure in a iwb holster, the only real conceivable problem is being careless upon unholstering. And if you are clumsy, then having a safety isn't going to prevent someone from making the oopsie they are afraid of.

It wears on me that I am relying on a manufacturer of guns to tell me it is safe to carry this loaded, chambered, striker fired, gun, on my person. This is basic buyer beware type behavior, and since I cannot prove to myself that I am 100% safe in doing this, I choose to carry unchambered.

There are also "oopsie" moments, etc.

The way I carry, neither of those cases will happen to me, and like someone above said, I still am carrying, if not with immediate availability

[Ramsker]

I picked up a Shield Plus a few months ago (have carrried a Shield for years already). I haven't transitioned to carrying the Plus yet . . . but plan to. Supposed to be able to use all the same holsters with it. I do have the safety on the Shield I carry and did get the Plus with safety. It's a really unobtrusive saftey that's still easy enough to manipulate (but you'd have to work at it to intentionally engage it if off). I'm used to safeties on some other guns I have, so it's second nature to work with it.

Just personal preference. I like the added level of protection against "oopsies" with it. Sweeping the safety on drawing it just something I'm used to. I totally get that others don't like or want that. Whatever works for you. Love the feel of the Plus and the added capacity. Trigger is better than my stock Shield, although I swapped into the Apex for it so the trigger I have on current Shield is really nice, too.

[Seamonkey]

I started with a Colt Detective snub (and still do depending on weather/clothing) then a G26 about 10 years ago once I gained experience with semi-automatics. Took a class to learn the basics then range time to get comfortable. Went to the G19 because the G26 pinches my pinky where the magazine meets the frame.
Recently purchased a Hellcat. I had no plans to purchase and was actually looking for a .22 with a better trigger when the clerk suggested I try it. There's a lip on that part of the Hellcat frame that my finger sits on with either the 11 or 15 round mags and no pinching. I was surprised how slim it feels for a double stack and like how it fits my hand.

[fitz19d]

It wears on me that I am relying on a manufacturer of guns to tell me it is safe to carry this loaded, chambered, striker fired, gun, on my person. This is basic buyer beware type behavior, and since I cannot prove to myself that I am 100% safe in doing this, I choose to carry unchambered.

There are also "oopsie" moments, etc.

The way I carry, neither of those cases will happen to me, and like someone above said, I still am carrying, if not with immediate availability

My full feelings would break forum rules, but suffice to say, there is a lot of cops, security, and otherwise armed people that would get a good laugh about this. Maybe guns are small enough part of your life you can't trust yourself or believe in some pretty big leaps in mechanical failures. I think it's one thing to argue wanting a safety and I let those go, carrying unchambered....