Front Sight Classes

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Since I did not see a thread here talking about training at Front Sight, I thought it would be a good idea to put one here. I'm sure a lot of us here are members and for some who might be on the fence about joining, here is my AAR on the 4-day Rifle Marksmanship Class that I took from Oct. 18-21.

I used an Aero Precision AR-15 carbine that I built. Rifle had a 14.5" barrel with a Leatherwood Hi-Lux CMR 1x4 optic. I quickly realized I brought the wrong platform to the class. The gun ran like a top and it far exceeded my expectations, but didn't quite make the cut at the 300 & 350 yard range.


I also didn't have a bipod or proper rest which I fixed after day 1. A bipod or rest (like this one: https://www.amazon.com/Vangua.../dp/B0034361BC/ref=sr_1_3...) really makes a world of difference. Depending on your upper body strength, lighter is better. Harris and Atlas bipods are amazing, but heavy. I plan on getting the Magpul bipod. I seen rifles chambered in 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 Grendel, .308, 30-06 and 5.56. One excellent shooter was using a Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5 Creedmoor and got DG. Very impressive considering shooting that in the standing position was very difficult. The 6.5 Grendel guy was also on-point. .308 shooters did well also. I firmly believe you can DG this course easily with .223/5.56 provided you are shooting it out of the right platform. I would recommend something that can adequately stabilize the 75 grain or heavier bullet in case of high winds.


Triggers. I wasn't aware you could use a trigger with less than 4.5 lbs. until I got to the class. I had already switched out my Geissele SSA-E for an ALG-QMS and hated it the entire time. So if anyone wants to buy that hot turd of a trigger, let me know.


Optic. A good 3x9 optic would work, but I would recommend something more in the range of 4x12. This class is 100% focused on accuracy. Being able to see the 9" circle at 350 yards clearly in your optic is huge. I saw some AR folks using 1x8 optics and from my observation, they were struggling as well. Definitely spend the money on a good quality optic.



Ammo. Use quality ammo that you have already tested in your rifle to know it shoots it well, especially out to 350 yards. Use that ammo through the entire course. One shooter running a sweet .223 bolt gun suppressed started out using PMC Bronze 55 grain which his rifle loved, but had to switch ammo part-way through the course and his gun hated that ammo. I desperately wished they would allow shooters who reload their own ammo to use it in this course.


Sling. I used the VTAC Padded sling. It worked extremely well. I highly recommend it over other slings. It adjusts quickly with little effort and is very comfortable.


Knee & Elbow pads. You will 100% need these. You can use a shooting mat, but you have to lug it to each shooting position along with the rest of your kit. Knee and elbow pads are simpler and work extremely well.


Instructors. If you are lucky enough to have Kevin Colter as one of your instructors, listen to everything he has to say. He?s extremely knowledgeable and knows more about shooting accurately than I?ll ever know.

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Thank you.

[battlemidget]

+1 that Magpul bipod. It takes Atlas feet too.

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+1 that Magpul bipod. It takes Atlas feet too.

I was unaware of that. Thank you for that excellent information!

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The Death of Front Sight?

Dr. P is now saying Front Sight has been officially "restructured". Members will now have to pay $50/month to maintain their membership.

Also:

The Champion Club is closed.
Private training for non-members is now $3,000 per day, per person.
Private training for Patriot members is now $1,000 per day, per person.
Legacy members: $800 per day, per person.
Founder members: $600 per day, per person.
Knight members: $400 per day, per person.

Due to the difficulty is scheduling and staffing them, and the increased potential liability of running them, the following courses will no longer be offered at Front Sight:

Children and youth (including 20day, 4-day, and night time); rope and rappel (including rope and rappel skill builders); empty hand defense; and edged weapons.

Guns at Cost program is closed.

Ammo Club program is closed.

The Front Sight Alaska facility will no longer operate.

The following Membership Benefits are no longer valid: Free Hotel Stays; First In-First Out Privileges; Membership Pro Shop Discounts; Annual Secrets of the Ultra Successful Seminar, and Annual Advisory Board Meeting and Training.

All membership transfers now require a one time, $1,000 transfer fee paid in cash, check, credit card, or available F$ Bucks in a member's account.

Starting February 15, 2022, every student or member attending a course, prior to enrollment acceptance must either show proof of a minimum of $100,000 in personal liability insurance to cover them against damages they cause to other persons or property while engaged in the handling, carrying, and shooting of firearms, and training with firearms from the sling, holster and concealed holster while on Front Sight property, OR purchase said liability insurance covering Front Sight, and naming the student or member as an additional insured, from a vendor of Front Sight's choosing, at a cost of $25 per day. This fee is non-refundable. This cannot be paid from a member's F$ Bucks account.

Starting IMMEDIATELY, every student or member enrolling in a course, prior to enrollment acceptance must pay a $25 per day Facility Fee for the number of days of their course. This fee applies to every course at Front Sight including Private Training. This fee is non-refundable.

Starting IMMEDIATELY, every student or member attending a course, prior to enrollment acceptance must pay a $25 per day Staff Support Fee for the number of days of their course. This fee is non-refundable.

Sucks to say, but this killed Front Sight for me.

[kidicarus13]

Sounds like their old business plan was not working out financially for them.

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Sucks to say, but this killed Front Sight for me.

That is, of course, the goal of the changes...

O2

Ps. Me too.