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    Quote Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy View Post
    Well that is a lot of disinformation. You might want to read :

    "An Introduction to Planetary Defense: A Study of Modern Warfare Applied to Extra-Terrestrial Invasion " by Taylor, et al.

    The current political line up is severely lacking in qualifications to lead us in these circumstances. I made a big mistake trusting these types in the past.
    Speaking of "disinformation," I encourage you to research the origin of two sayings which became very popular in the 1950s: "flying saucers" and "little green men."

    Also, the source you cited is, to put it mildly, questionable.

    Goode's book is heavily supported by official documents obtained via FOIA and has nearly a thousand footnotes. It mostly covers the level of secrecy this matter was held at, and how astronomers, pilots, sailors, military personnel, and law enforcement officers who officially reported such sightings were strongly urged never to speak of it again, and if they went to the media their career was over and they were accused of psychosis. That was kind of a thing for half a century. My grandfather was a dirgable pilot during WW2, patrolling the Bermuda Triangle for U-boats. He and his copilot were told, off the record, by their commanding officer that if they ever saw anything like that never to put it in a report or put it out over the radio.

    Vallee's book explores corrolaries between Hynek's "encounters of the third kind" and similar cross cultural legends and folklore. It's an interesting read.

    Our top scientists only have a very generalized idea of what these things are, but as they are no longer deemed a clear and present danger to national security, they are largely ignored. None of our weapons have any notable effect on them, and they can fly directly into the ocean or the side of a mountain at Mach 2 without leaving a trace. I think they're cool, but after researching them for over three decades don't really think about them anymore. It's best not to overthink some things.
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    I don?t like the term UAP. It was UFO forever now it needs a revamping. It?s like STDs. Now you pick the wrong girl and you get an STI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clint45 View Post
    One of the things that Einstein got wrong was that "the 4th dimension is time." It most certainly is not. The 4th and 5th dimensions are spatial. And, the weird thing is, time runs differently in every dimension. Also, wormholes are mostly bullshit.
    Einstein didn't really argue that per se, it is just that time can be mathematically modeled as a 4th dimension to help certain people wrap their minds around it. You can't move through space without moving through time, and moving through space affects your time. Einstein really wasn't arguing that it was THE 4th dimension.

    Nobody mentioned wormholes... although we are very junior in our scientific progress. E.g. look at how erroneous the theory of dark matter/energy is to try to fill holes in our mathematical models.

    Warping space is not a wormhole, e.g. Alcubierre drives. Something like an Alcubierre is very possible. It's not punching between points in space. it's more akin to moving the space around you to arrive at a destination without physically traveling to it.

    And we know that because we've seen other species using them. E.g. TicTacs and effectively every other undisputable UAP travel in a fashion that is readily explained using that technique.

    But again... Humanity's opinion here is founded on an erroneous presumption that life is rare and exotic in the universe, which the multi-dimensionality belief neatly plugs into. It's quite uncomfortable to consider that we're not special in the 3rd dimension, either. But it is a fact that these do travel around earth, using Alcubierre type methods or similar future iterations; and they do some physics defying shit. E.g. https://www.reuters.com/lifestyle/sc...er-2021-06-25/ . I'm not going to dramatically argue someone is wrong in believing some events may be within additional spatial dimensions, but that's a serious cop-out to state they all are. #1 our primitive science already knows it is possible in our own future, and #2 there are TRILLIONS upon TRILLIONS of very-habitable worlds in the universe. Believing that none of these are simply technologically superior to us is only servicing the bias of humanity - #1, "life is special and doesn't exist outside of earth so everything else must be magic, and life doesn't exist beyond our solar system".

    FYI, for anyone that hasn't looked into it, the above link is only a tiny, tiny portion of our encounter(s) with the TicTacs. We have had many encounters with them with our carrier groups over the years, backed by multiple pilots and telemetry including radar and thermal data and dozens of pilots and hundreds of seamen. Only a tiny, tiny fraction of the video of them has been publicly released. I encourage skeptics to read more as it also spawned an impressive amount of government hearings, including abject concern by our gov over WTF we can do to try to match the technology that these "tictacs" have inside of fifty years - which is a very American way to react.
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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxtArt View Post
    Not a big worry BMB.

    Humanity has many presumptions that run contrary to good science:
    #1: We're the top dog in the universe
    #2: Earth is super-special and a wonderful planet
    #3: Life either exists only on earth or is rare.
    "Good science" requires one thing above all else. Observation.

    And the observations are that our planet is special. Sure, there are limited dead microbes and "signs of life" on other planets that take a tremendous effort to locate. But nothing has been observed that even comes close to what earth has. As you said, life on earth can be found everywhere, all types, in all environments. That's not true of ANYWHERE else we've found. That's is the definition of special.

    So while there may be actual life elsewhere similar to ours, since it hasn't been observed, there is no "good science" yet to support that theory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxtArt View Post
    Warping space is not a wormhole, e.g. Alcubierre drives. Something like an Alcubierre is very possible. It's not punching between points in space. it's more akin to moving the space around you to arrive at a destination without physically traveling to it.

    And we know that because we've seen other species using them. E.g. TicTacs and effectively every other undisputable UAP travel in a fashion that is readily explained using that technique.
    Theoretical Physics and Quantum Mechanics are fascinating subjects, which rely heavily upon rather advanced mathematical equations... maybe a tenth of a percent of the population really understands said equations enough to speak on them with authority... and I am not one of those people.

    It has been proposed, however, that said equations only apply within 3rd Dimensional Time/Space.

    TicTacs are neat! But they are only one of over a dozen subsets of commonly reported UAP (I prefer the term UFO myself, but times change). TicTacs remind me of a slightly more advanced form of the "Foo Fighters" reported by both Allied and Axis pilots during WW2. And, honestly, compared to a few things I've personally witnessed decades ago, not terribly extraordinary.

    Saying these phenomena are piloted by a 3D biological xenomorphic "species" seems a bit of a stretch, as we have absolutely zero evidence supporting that hypothesis... but no way to confirm or deny that which is unknown. Our top Physicists have been speculating upon their mode of propulsion for a very long time, and that's also a favored topic of hard Sci Fi authors, but so far outside my field of study I cannot comment on that.

    What I can tell you is that at least some UAPs have the ability to literally "teleport" for want of a better word. Back in the late 1970s, our entire Boy Scout troop watched a fairly large bright green oval hovering over us. It shined a green beam of light on the ground near us, then began instantly reappearing in multiple other areas of the sky, hovered for a few seconds, then reappeared somewhere else, like it was demonstrating this ability. We watched it for about an hour and actually started to get bored and began looking away from it. Then it was gone.

    Others have been observed changing shape or splitting into separate individual UAPs... difficult to explain that from a 3rd Dimensional perspective.

    Best way to describe them is as some form of intangible energy that can appear and disappear from radar. It's not a plasma, but something we haven't discovered yet, and may never discover. If a 4th or 5th Dimensional object appeared in an observable fashion within our 3rd Dimension, we would be unable to determine its true appearance, size, or shape... also, the human eye has its own set of limitations. So what we perceive is not a very good indicator of what it actually is. They'll probably remain a mystery for another half century at least.
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    So you can report your observations to DOD on a form DD3212...

    The Alphabets never answer my messages. Whatever they do, they better form a fusion data center for all the information.

    https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDF...02w25Gkw%3D%3D
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    Quote Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy View Post
    So you can report your observations to DOD on a form DD3212...

    The Alphabets never answer my messages. Whatever they do, they better form a fusion data center for all the information.

    https://www.aaro.mil/Portals/136/PDF...02w25Gkw%3D%3D

    Yeah... that form didn't even exist before April 2024... and "non classified information not cleared for public release" cannot be entered into that form.

    And you cannot submit reports anonymously either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiememphis View Post
    or does he?

    https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...#disqus_thread
    https://reason.com/2024/08/02/nobody...=true#comments

    "A lot of people are upset that I said I'm going to be writing in Ron Paul for president of the United States, and that is true. I will be writing in Ron Paul." So said Kyle Rittenhouse in a recent video posted to X."

    "Unfortunately, Donald Trump had bad advisers, making him bad on the Second Amendment, and that is my issue."

    He added, "If you cannot be completely uncompromisable on the Second Amendment, I will not vote for you, and I will write somebody else in. We need champions for the Second Amendment or our rights would be eaten away and eroded each day. I support my decision and I have no takebacks."

    Update: About 14 hours after Rittenhouse shared his video explaining his support for Ron Paul, declaring that "you must stand by your principles," he announced that he spoke "with members of the Trump's [sic] team" and that he is now "100% behind Donald Trump."

    "Over the past 12 hours, I've had a series of productive conversations with members of the Trump's team, and I am confident he will be the strong ally gun owners need to defend our...rights," Rittenhouse also said. "My comments made last night were ill-informed and unproductive."

    The comments on Breitbart say he gets a pass for being an uninformed kid, but this is his only warning.
    The comments on Reason say he owes no allegiance to anyone, and Ron Paul will save the nation.

    I agree with the Reason crowd. One dumb kid's vote isn't going to affect the election, especially in Dallas, where he lives.

    I also doubt the power of his celebrity to have much influence on anyone, much like David Hogg on the other side.

    I wonder what Team Trump told him to change his mind? Did they own up to the mistakes made previously- bump stock ban, red flag endorsement- and lay out cogent policy going forward?

    Or did they tell him to shut his yap or the gravy train will stop?

    I am guessing the latter since Trump denouncing Rittenhouse would kill his "credibility" with most of the MAGA crowd which view him as a hero.
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    The .gov will probably start installing shot spotter equipment in cities with high gun crime rates. Pueblo has invested in live body camera system for officers linking to a command post. Rittenhouse and Trump both got lucky.

    https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-c...ches-in-pueblo
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    Quote Originally Posted by BushMasterBoy View Post
    The .gov will probably start installing shot spotter equipment in cities with high gun crime rates. Pueblo has invested in live body camera system for officers linking to a command post. Rittenhouse and Trump both got lucky.

    https://www.koaa.com/news/covering-c...ches-in-pueblo
    I have a friend that took a PKM fired 7.62x54r API round to the face, it slid under his nose, did not hit any bone. He had 4 holes and now just has extra dimples high on his cheeks. I do not believe Luck was a factor. Not his day to die.

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