Close
Results 1 to 8 of 8
  1. #1
    COAR SpecOps Team Leader theGinsue's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2008
    Location
    Colo Spr
    Posts
    21,792
    Blog Entries
    4

    Default Wildlife Management Through The Ballot Box

    I think this writer has a really good grasp of the cavernous pitfalls of allowing wildlife management decisions to be made by emotional do-gooders vice throught scientifically proven wildlife management practices.

    Since those most likely to vote for Prop 127 won't realistically have to deal with the reality of their choices, it's no skin off of their back to double down on the failure that wolf re-introduction has been for this state, the wolves themselves and other wildlife.

    Click image for larger version. 

Name:	print_image.jpg 
Views:	81 
Size:	273.1 KB 
ID:	97381
    Ginsue - Admin
    Proud Infidel Since 1965

    "You can't spell genius without Ginsue." -Ray1970, Apr 2020

    Ginsue's Feedback

  2. #2
    Grand Master Know It All BladesNBarrels's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2010
    Location
    Lakewood, CO
    Posts
    3,635

    Default

    I am seeing political ads that support passing Prop 127, but not seeing any that say vote No.
    How to get this type of explanation out to the voters is always the question.
    Buying Randall Made Knives and Randall 1911 Pistols

    BladesNBarrels Feedback

  3. #3
    Machine Gunner
    Join Date
    May 2012
    Location
    Elizabeth, CO
    Posts
    1,170

    Default

    A well written article.
    The PETA groups have much deeper pockets than any of the conservation groups do, however, it seems a few of the groups listed in that article could at least put funds together enough to get some adds out to more eyes to see.
    Laws aren't "preventable" measures. IOW, more gun laws won't stop mass shootings.

  4. #4
    Mr Yamaha brutal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Unincorporated Douglas County, CO
    Posts
    13,931

    Default

    If you facebook, I've been running down a few...

    https://www.facebook.com/prairieprot...do.org?__cft__[0]=AZVo-IGDZJ7rqpUK4B6kP-RZl-Sq4sRlv7GS7Y7qBlpTT7TysO0rjWEo_mqiDC5MRsgEXqkFaKqC 5t5PQXRaiE4dHBaPnR6adMvR95cBI2Ey5fpNn4zB-CqOmcT2iLW3hCfi-qtUW5jpBGHPX91aiF2ZSmJrZnplFW9u8zuGWRkrzS9EtIckMnj Ypo19TiAdMw4lFSZGo8aLzaGGNkDvJNkvRcK8GGo81FZZBbrSl lorU2Oa-OnBuJEgIqtrBzZGDNg&__tn__=-UC*F

    https://www.facebook.com/photo?fbid=...11290731289000
    Last edited by brutal; 09-22-2024 at 14:19.
    My Feedback
    Credit TFOGGER : Liberals only want things to be "fair and just" if it benefits them.
    Credit Zundfolge: The left only supports two "rights"; Buggery and Infanticide.
    Credit roberth: List of things Government does best; 1. Steal your money 2. Steal your time 3. Waste the money they stole from you. 4. Waste your time making you ask permission for things you have a natural right to own. "Anyone that thinks the communists won't turn off your power for being on COAR15 is a fucking moron."

  5. #5
    Mr Yamaha brutal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Unincorporated Douglas County, CO
    Posts
    13,931
    My Feedback
    Credit TFOGGER : Liberals only want things to be "fair and just" if it benefits them.
    Credit Zundfolge: The left only supports two "rights"; Buggery and Infanticide.
    Credit roberth: List of things Government does best; 1. Steal your money 2. Steal your time 3. Waste the money they stole from you. 4. Waste your time making you ask permission for things you have a natural right to own. "Anyone that thinks the communists won't turn off your power for being on COAR15 is a fucking moron."

  6. #6
    Mr Yamaha brutal's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2011
    Location
    Unincorporated Douglas County, CO
    Posts
    13,931
    My Feedback
    Credit TFOGGER : Liberals only want things to be "fair and just" if it benefits them.
    Credit Zundfolge: The left only supports two "rights"; Buggery and Infanticide.
    Credit roberth: List of things Government does best; 1. Steal your money 2. Steal your time 3. Waste the money they stole from you. 4. Waste your time making you ask permission for things you have a natural right to own. "Anyone that thinks the communists won't turn off your power for being on COAR15 is a fucking moron."

  7. #7
    Grand Master Know It All eddiememphis's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    Denver
    Posts
    3,103

    Default

    https://cpw.widen.net/s/dzrrpdvncv/2...est-statistics

    Harvest by year
    22-23- 502
    21-22- 482
    20-21- 526

    Population around 4000

    Is this a problem that needs addressing?

    Of course not. It is another attempt by leftists to throttle personal freedom.

  8. #8
    Carries A Danged Big Stick buffalobo's Avatar
    Join Date
    Oct 2009
    Location
    Hoyt
    Posts
    15,792

    Default

    https://sportsafield.com/2024/colora...ts-vs-fiction/


    "Colorado?s Wild Cats: Facts vs. Fiction

    ? by?Diana Rupp

    Read this before you buy into the claims made by supporters of Colorado?s proposed lion-hunting ban.?

    Photo above: A mountain lion in Colorado. Photo copyright Victor Schendel: VictorSchendelPhotography.com
    Anti-hunting groups have launched a full-on misinformation campaign in their push to ban mountain lion and bobcat hunting in the state of Colorado. A group called Cats Aren?t Trophies has collected enough signatures to place a measure on the statewide ballot this fall,?Proposition 127.?The initiative?s backers make numerous false claims about scientific wildlife management in Colorado, and specifically about the legal, regulated hunting of mountain lions and bobcats. (The initiative also mentions lynx, even though lynx are classified as endangered and have not been legal to hunt or trap in Colorado for decades.)
    Coloradoans for Responsible Wildlife Management?(CRWM), a coalition of science-based conservation groups opposing the initiative, noted in a flyer, ?This isn?t about fair chase or management concerns; it?s a deliberate attempt to misinform.?
    The truth is that Colorado has thriving and well-managed populations of both mountain lions and bobcats. Hunting and trapping may not be everyone?s cup of tea, but these activities are highly regulated, humane, and selective. And many people don?t realize it, but hunters do eat the meat of their mountain lions, and most of them say it is delicious.?
    Let?s take a closer look at some of the questionable claims being made by those who are behind proposed Initiative 91.

    Myth: Lions and bobcats are declining

    Colorado Parks & Wildlife (CPW), the state agency that oversees wildlife in Colorado, employs a staff of trained biologists to monitor wildlife populations through scientific modeling and field research. CPW?s?official statewide estimates of the number of independent male and female lions (not including kittens) is 3,800 to 4,400 statewide.?
    The agency?s research shows Colorado?s lion population has been growing since 1965, which was the year they were classified as a big-game species. The agency reports: ?Both informal and recently collected empirical data suggest Colorado?s lion population is strong and lions are abundant in appropriate habitat.??
    Bobcats are also widespread and doing well. Bobcats are the most common wild cat in North America, with some 1.4 to 2.6 million bobcats nationwide. In Colorado, CPW biologists assess five different metrics each year to make sure bobcat populations are healthy. The information indicates Colorado?s bobcat populations are stable and likely increasing in some areas.?
    Lynx were reintroduced into Colorado in 1999, and although their population is stable, they are currently listed as endangered in Colorado. Lynx are protected by both state and federal law, with hunting and trapping entirely prohibited.?
    Mark Vieira, CPW?s Carnivore and Furbearer Program Manager, explained that the agency tracks population models for mountain lions in various regions of the state and that biologists have collared hundreds of lions in field studies to verify the population models.?
    ?Observations of mountain lions point to a growing, healthy, and increasingly expanding population,? he said in a recent presentation detailing how Colorado?s professional biologists manage and monitor cat populations.?(Watch his full presentation here.)

    Myth: Lion and bobcat hunting is a ?trophy hunt?

    When the authors of proposed Initiative 91 use the term ?trophy hunt,? they are implying that hunters are only interested in the head and hide of the mountain lion and not in taking the meat. First off, that?s not?what trophy hunting means, but that aside, here are the facts:
    Colorado, like other states, has a ?wanton waste? law. That means that hunters who take big-game animals like mountain lions are?required by law?to take and prepare the meat of the animals for human consumption.?Bobcats are classified as furbearers rather than big-game animals and as such are exempt from this requirement, but many hunters also prepare and consume bobcat meat.?
    Americans tend to have a cultural bias against eating cat meat, but there is no health or taste reason for this. As lion hunters have discovered, the meat is, in fact, highly palatable. Outdoor writer and hunter Don Thomas, who guided mountain lion hunts for many years, says, ?Lion meat is lean, light, fine-grained, and delicate, and can be prepared in any manner suitable for pork or veal.? He once converted a skeptic by serving him a meal of sweet and sour lion scallopini. The doubter loved it.
    Those who aren?t as adventurous with their cuisine often make the meat into sausage. One hunter told me he had his lion meat made into spicy snack sticks, which were a hit with everyone who tried them.?
    Yes, most hunters also mount their lions or preserve their hides, which is a way of honoring the animal and preserving the experience of the hunt. Before they do, successful hunters are required to present the hides of their lions and bobcats at a CPW office for a mandatory check. The information gathered by the wildlife technicians at these checks is a source of valuable intel for biologists who study these animals.

    Myth: Mountain lion hunting is unsporting; it?s like ?shooting fish in a barrel?

    Mountain lions are secretive and extremely wary animals, and there is nothing easy about hunting them. CPW?s Vieira cited statistics showing that only one in five Colorado mountain lion license holders is successful in harvesting a lion, which hardly sounds like ?shooting fish in a barrel.?
    Lions can be hunted in several ways, but one of the most common ways is by finding fresh tracks in the snow and then using hounds to trail them until they tree. Like hunting itself, this type of hunt is not everyone?s cup of tea, but it is a method of hunting that has been used for centuries, and it often turns into an extreme physical challenge, since the hunter must follow the cat and hounds on foot (or with skis or snowshoes) over rugged, mountainous, roadless terrain, often for long distances. Nor is a successful chase assured?lions often give hounds the slip.
    The main reason for allowing the use of hounds for hunting lions is that it allows hunters to be selective. Colorado?s lion regulations are specifically designed to limit the harvest of adult female lions. ?States that don?t allow the use of hounds for lion hunting have a higher harvest of females,? Vieira said.
    That?s because it?s easy to quickly tell whether a deer or elk is male or female, but it?s difficult to know the sex of a cat without getting a close look. Hunters can positively verify the sex of a lion in a tree. They can then choose to let the lion go, or make a quick, clean kill.
    ?I have heard the ?fish in a barrel? complaint often, sometimes from other hunters,? Thomas, the former guide, said. ?Hard to keep that in mind when I?m making a five-mile hike through treacherous terrain in sub-zero weather! I would guess that we treed fewer than half the cats we chased and shot far fewer than that. Even back when I was in top shape, I?ve never felt as exhausted as I did at the end of some of those hunts, which often did not end with a dead lion.?

    Myth: Lion hunting orphans kittens

    It?s important to note that female mountain lions with kittens are?never?allowed to be hunted. Lions are solitary animals, so if you see more than one set of lion tracks together, it?s most likely a female with young. Since lions are almost always hunted in the snow, it?s easy for lion hunters to avoid following multiple sets of cat tracks. Because of this selective method of hunting, female cats with kittens are left alone.
    Colorado takes the education and selectivity of lion hunters very seriously, requiring anyone who wants to buy a mountain lion license to take and pass an online test to ensure they understand the rules.?

    Myth: There is no management reason for hunting cats

    Many people wonder why we have to manage wildlife at all?can?t we just let nature take its course? That?s an attractive sentiment, but Colorado now has 5.8 million people within its borders, and humans are heavily encroaching on wildlife habitat?building more and more houses and roads, running four-wheelers and snowmobiles, hiking, skiing, and biking in the backcountry. All of this has a huge impact on wildlife populations, altering the carrying capacity of the land. Like it or not, humans have to step in to help restore the balance. One of the ways this is done is through controlled hunting. Removing a carefully determined number of animals is a tool that helps maintain stable and healthy wildlife populations.
    This is not about ?getting rid? of lions or other predators. Thriving lion and bobcat populations are an important part of Colorado?s ecosystem. The state is scientifically managing the cats with a plan designed to maintain the populations at or above their current, sustainable levels. ?Our strong lion populations also support the overall biodiversity of Colorado, interacting with deer and elk herds and providing ecological services as they have for thousands of years,? said Vieira.
    Mountain lions prey on herbivores such as deer, elk, and bighorn sheep, and CPW?s scientific wildlife management approach helps keep the populations of all of these species in balance. Every wildlife management decision has complex ripple effects on many other species, which is one of the reasons these decisions should be made by trained biologists who spend years developing and implementing management plans that take all factors into account.

    Myth: This proposition will stop lions from being killed

    In 1990, the state of California passed Proposition 117, which banned mountain lion hunting in the Golden State. But the state still issues large numbers of depredation permits for lions that are killing livestock or threatening people, as Colorado would need to do as well. Paid trappers and sharpshooters (at taxpayer expense) kill an average of 98 lions every year on these permits, four times the number that were killed under such permits before the ban. In addition, the lack of a hunting season for the past thirty-odd years has not resulted in healthier lion populations in California. A recent survey pegged the state?s lion population at between 3,200 and 4,500, which is much lower than previously thought in a state that is a third larger than Colorado.?
    Well-intentioned people who simply want to ?stop the hunt? believe they are helping to protect wildlife. The truth is that trained biologists using scientific methods are the people best qualified to help wildlife populations thrive. Let?s let them do their jobs without interference from agenda-driven ballot measures. That?s how we, as informed voters, can show we truly care about wildlife."




    If you're unarmed, you are a victim.
    If you're unarmed, you are a victim


    Feedback

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •