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    Electric chainsaws? Wow, they do not need to trim shubbery.

    Facebook "factcheckers" are now claiming it is a conspiracy theory to say FEMA is blocking rescue aid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hollohas View Post
    They have money and they are spending it wisely.

    A US Gov Chinook delivered this pallet to a small town cutoff in NC.

    Great work Feds!

    But they reduce pollution.

    And without power, they reduce pollution even more!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eric P View Post
    Indoctrinated federal pinheads have zero common sense nor critical thinking skills. Most have never been in the field. Just mindless drones following orders from other mindless drones to implement nonsense green and dei policies over actually doing the mission.

    Anyone with common sense would know that battery/electric powered tools are dumb in a disaster. Not just from lack of power, but from being tethers to a power source. Gas tools are mobile, instantly rechargeable. A few gallons of petrol can last far longer than even the newest battery tech.
    Yup. Amazing when people jump to conspiracy when really, its a combination...

    You have a majority of two kinds of employees in the kind of entity that FEMA is:

    1. Young fresh-faced interns that are fresh out of school and need some checkboxes checked but have no common sense.

    2. Old MF curmugeons that ultimately settled into gov work for the stability because they are not competative or bright enough for the commercial side.

    To couple it together, these gov agencies are primarily great at inefficiency. I hesitate to call it entirely unnecessary, it's just something that comes about as a by-product of unnecessary people developing justification for ongoing employment. On the commercial side, fat is trimmed for profitability. On the gov side, especially depending on how they contract (Cost+ for instance), the ongoing development of justification for continued employment ultimately results in ongoing hiring of unnecessary people whom then have to stretch to create their own necessity for sake of job stability, which ultimately creates a feedback loop of inefficiencies requiring additional employees that, while yes, they do work, don't accomplish much per capita in the sense of a narrow mission.

    Example: Health and safety in an agency that is office jobs develops a lot of programs and training, lots of reports and meetings, lots of metrics, tracking, meetings, etc....

    At the end of the day, 12 people would be replaced by one in a commercial setting. That doesn't mean the dozen people are lazy.

    If you want a correct, appropraite response in a very short timeframe, you want the one guy. The dozen WILL fuck it up between all the meetings, metrics, hands in the pie, reports, sign-offs, etc.

    And FEMA is not just a dozen. It's a couple thousand.

    Reminds me of project management guys in agencies. Want to take something that two guys could finish in three weeks and legitimately make it take two years? Project management, FTW.

    I'm amazed chainsaws were delivered at all, to be honest. Could've easily been a 20 pallets of tampons and toothpaste instead.
    Last edited by FoxtArt; 10-15-2024 at 21:34.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxtArt View Post
    I'm amazed chainsaws were delivered at all, to be honest. Could've easily been a 20 pallets of tampons and toothpaste instead.
    Some federally contracted vendor got paid handsomely for them for sure. Probably double or triple retail. No doubt they were happy to get them out quickly while they had the chance.

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    FEMA employees are members of American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE).

    Union members have no need to be efficient or effective. In fact, initiative is often dissuaded by both fellow workers and union representatives.


    As to the electric chainsaws, one unsubstantiated picture should not be taken as proof of anything. That picture could easily be from a hardware store in California.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eddiememphis View Post
    FEMA employees are members of American Federation of Government Employees (AFGE).

    Union members have no need to be efficient or effective. In fact, initiative is often dissuaded by both fellow workers and union representatives.


    As to the electric chainsaws, one unsubstantiated picture should not be taken as proof of anything. That picture could easily be from a hardware store in California.
    I worked with FEMA during the 2013 floods. Even back then, the sustainability push was on for the materials and equipment. So seeing electric tools being delivered is completely believable.

    They wanted us to use electric ATVs in places with no charging capabilities.

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    We have many, many natural disasters spanning decades with documented evidence of FEMA waste. Warehouses full of FEMA waste.

    So yeah, maybe the chainsaws weren't from FEMA. But anyone who has paid attention over the years knows that's par for the course and typical FEMA (and typical Fedgov in general).

    It would be harder to believe it wasn't true.
    Last edited by hollohas; 10-16-2024 at 18:46.

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