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    Quote Originally Posted by FromMyColdDeadHand View Post
    Sullivan is either stupid or evil, or Both. It’s an assault weapon ban. I don’t think there’s any other way to rationally explain it. You can sell a gun today the same gun you can’t sell next time. I guess they are probably saying it’s not an assault weapons band because they know Scotus is going to strike down bans, so they’ll be able to say that their law isn’t affected by what’s coming down.
    Yes, there is no reason to like or respect Sullivan.
    But its a mistake to underestimate the underlying basis of this potential law. Now that you/we/I can read the draft, they are following the NY and CA non-detachable magazine laws described in post #11 and #12.
    And yes that is shading, for lack of better term, and yes that is what the Socialists have been doing for years in regards to these harassing gun laws...........
    But there is potentially valid excuse that these laws might remain........... They can say with a straight face that "Assault Weapons" aren't banned, simply select semi-auto firearms to be legally sold must have an internal, non-removeable magazine of no more than 15rds.
    Thats not a ban, it's simply requiring a modification to the original design.

    I dont like it either......... but to be honest......... look left and right in your neighborhood.......... those are the people who voted for this.
    And honestly, there are people here in this forum that vote for the Democratic party.
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    Sullivan and the article makes it sound like a done deal...

    ?I am not running an assault weapons ban. This is not an assault weapons ban. This is an enforcement of the high-capacity magazine that passed in 2013,? State Sen. Tom Sullivan, D-Centennial, said.

    Sullivan is sponsoring a bill that he believes would address a gap exposed by 9NEWS Investigates in 2019. Our series, Overloaded, found large-capacity magazines ? the kind that can hold more than 15 bullets ? were sold in parts to try to avoid the ban passed in 2013.

    ?Because we can't get them to stop selling the high-capacity magazines that would attach for it if you buy a brand new one, it's going to have a magazine that is permanently attached,? Sullivan said. ?Everything you buy from here on out is going to have an attached magazine.?

    The bill does not address the issue that the 2013 ban revealed; local sheriffs who are not willing to enforce a ban they disagree with.

    ?We have people who are elected officials who have deemed that they won't do this, and they continue to get reelected, so those neighborhoods know that this is what's out there, that this is what's going to happen and, you know, they're OK with it,? Sullivan said. ?If you're OK with the loss of life, then, you know, how are we going to do something about this??

    He said the bill already has enough co-sponsors in the State Senate to pass out of the Senate. And he said it is likely to go through the committees and floor votes in January, instead of waiting for later in the session. Getting enough support in the House will be easier with a near 2-1 edge of Democrats to Republicans. The Senate has 23 Democrats to 12 Republicans. The House has 43 Democrats to 22 Republicans.

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    New Taxes!

    HB25-1044
    Local Funding for Vulnerable Road User Protection


    A TABOR exempt "fee" that will allow a "city, city and county, or municipality (local government) to generate additional fee-based funding for local transportation system strategies that improve safety for vulnerable road users".

    The fee will be "Based on the weight of a passenger car or light truck, and, in the sole discretion of a local government, fuel-efficiency, with fees being higher for heavier motor vehicles and, for motor vehicles in the same weight class, light trucks and, if applicable, less fuel-efficient motor vehicles


    Interesting but won't pass

    HB25-1068
    Malpractice Insurers Gender-Affirming Care Minors


    Allows insurers to cancel malpractice insurance on "gender-affirming health-care services".


    No Idea this was an issue

    HB25-1064
    Prohibition on Cultivated Meat


    The bill prohibits a person from selling, offering for sale, manufacturing, or distributing cultivated meat (prohibition), which is defined as a food product produced from animal cells that are grown in a laboratory setting in a controlled environment.


    Gun Stuff

    HB25-1062
    Penalty for Theft of Firearms


    In current law, the sentencing structure for theft, except for auto theft, is based on the value of the item stolen.
    The bill exempts theft of firearms from that sentencing structure and makes theft of a firearm a class 6 felony, regardless of the firearm's value.

    HB25-1055
    Repeal Firearm Dealer Requirements & State Permit


    Repeals a number of items in House Bill 24-1353

    The requirement for a firearms dealer (dealer) to obtain a
    state firearms dealer permit (state permit) to engage in the
    business of dealing in firearms on and after July 1, 2025;

    The requirement for the department of revenue to conduct
    on-site inspections of state permit holders;

    The requirement that a dealer secure firearms in a manner
    that prevents members of the public from accessing the
    firearms;

    Specific requirements for a dealer to report to law
    enforcement about suspected straw purchases and firearm
    thefts by employees;

    The prohibition on a dealer selling or transferring a firearm
    outside of the dealer's posted business hours or to a person
    who is under the influence of alcohol or a controlled
    substance;

    The requirement for each dealer and each employee of a
    dealer whose position involves handling firearms to
    annually complete a training course; and

    Minimum qualifications for employees of dealers and the
    requirement for employees to submit to background checks.


    SB25-003
    Semiautomatic Firearms & Rapid-Fire Devices


    Black guns bad!

    SB25-034
    Voluntary Do-Not-Sell Firearms Waiver


    I have no idea what the hell this is...

    The bill establishes a process for a person to voluntarily waive the right to purchase a firearm (voluntary waiver).
    The bill prohibits attempting to purchase a firearm while subject to a voluntary waiver. Attempting to purchase a firearm while subject to a voluntary waiver is a civil infraction, punishable by a maximum $25 fine.

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    Sullivan's Bill will include handguns... or does it?

    "SEMIAUTOMATIC FIREARM" MEANS A FIREARM THAT IS NOT A MACHINE GUN AND THAT, UPON INITIATING THE FIRING SEQUENCE, FIRES THE FIRST CHAMBERED CARTRIDGE AND USES A PORTION OF THE ENERGY OF THE FIRING CARTRIDGE TO EXTRACT THE EXPENDED CARTRIDGE CASE, CHAMBER THE NEXT ROUND, AND PREPARE THE FIRING MECHANISM TO FIRE AGAIN, AND REQUIRES A SEPARATE PULL, RELEASE, PUSH, OR INITIATION OF THE TRIGGER TO FIRE EACH CARTRIDGE.

    "SEMIAUTOMATIC FIREARM" INCLUDES A SEMIAUTOMATIC RIFLE, SEMIAUTOMATIC SHOTGUN, OR SEMIAUTOMATIC HANDGUN.


    "SPECIFIED SEMIAUTOMATIC FIREARM" DOES NOT INCLUDE:
    -4- SB25-003
    1 (A) A FIREARM DESIGNED TO ACCEPT, AND CAPABLE OF
    2 OPERATING ONLY WITH, .22 OR LOWER CALIBER RIMFIRE AMMUNITION,
    3 UNLESS THE FIREARM HAS A SEPARATE UPPER AND LOWER RECEIVER;
    4 (B) A FIREARM THAT IS MANUALLY OPERATED BY BOLT, PUMP,
    5 LEVER, OR SLIDE ACTION;
    6 (C) A FIREARM THAT HAS A PERMANENTLY FIXED MAGAZINE THAT
    7 CANNOT ACCEPT MORE THAN FIFTEEN ROUNDS OF AMMUNITION;
    8 (D) A SINGLE OR DOUBLE ACTION SEMIAUTOMATIC HANDGUN
    9 THAT USES RECOIL TO CYCLE THE ACTION OF THE HANDGUN;

    So what does it mean? Seems a gas operated handgun like an AR "pistol" will illegal but normal pistols will be okay... for now.

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    I'm for 1062..

    I'm assuming that 034 voluntarily puts you on the CBI prohibited list? I guess if someone wants to do that more power to them. Maybe we can eventually get to retroactive self abortion?

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    Quote Originally Posted by def90 View Post
    I'm for 1062..

    I'm assuming that 034 voluntarily puts you on the CBI prohibited list? I guess if someone wants to do that more power to them. Maybe we can eventually get to retroactive self abortion?
    It won’t be “voluntary”. It will be “volunforced”. Get a speeding ticket. You can pay fine, spend the 10 days in jail…. Or we you can plea to fine and “voluntary” waiving your rights.

    You want to see you kids after a divorce… guess what judge will make you do!

    This is an end run around due process. Make no mistake about it.

    It is a law that allows coercion to give up rights.

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    Each senator or representative may only introduce up to 5 bills, which may be on any topic.
    The General Assembly consists of 100 members - 35 Senators and 65 Representatives, so 500 bills.
    In 2024 lawmakers introduced 705 bills. That's the most since 2019 when 721 bills were introduced, but far short of the record set in 2003, at 735
    The legislators do not even obey their own rules.
    No wonder they can not be trusted.

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    SB34 should scare the crap out of everyone. This is not just a 2A issue. This a constitutional issue. It is an end-run around the constitution.

    Yes, you can "revoke" your "voluntary" waiver... but read the bill..

    (5) (a) TO REVOKE A VOLUNTARY WAIVER, A PERSON MUST FILE
    7 FOR REVOCATION WITH THE BUREAU. THE BUREAU SHALL VERIFY THE
    8 PERSON'S IDENTITY PRIOR TO ACCEPTING THE REVOCATION. THE WAIVER
    9 REMAINS IN EFFECT FOR THIRTY DAYS AFTER THE BUREAU ACCEPTS THE
    10 REVOCATION.
    11 (b) THE BUREAU SHALL NOTIFY EACH CONTACT PERSON OF THE
    12 REVOCATION NO LATER THAN TWENTY-FOUR HOURS AFTER THE BUREAU
    13 RECEIVES THE REVOCATION REQUEST.
    14 (c) THIRTY DAYS AFTER THE BUREAU ACCEPTS THE REVOCATION,
    15 AND UNLESS THE PERSON IS OTHERWISE INELIGIBLE TO POSSESS A FIREARM
    16 PURSUANT TO STATE OR FEDERAL LAW, THE BUREAU SHALL REMOVE THE
    17 PERSON'S INFORMATION FROM THE NATIONAL INSTANT CRIMINAL
    18 BACKGROUND CHECK SYSTEM AND ANY OTHER FEDERAL OR STATE
    19 COMPUTER-BASED SYSTEMS IN WHICH THE PERSON WAS ENTERED AND
    20 THAT ARE USED BY LAW ENFORCEMENT AGENCIES OR OTHERS TO IDENTIFY
    21 PROHIBITED PURCHASERS OF FIREARMS, AND THE BUREAU SHALL DESTROY
    22 ALL RECORDS OF THE VOLUNTARY WAIVER.
    23 (6) THE EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR OF THE DEPARTMENT MAY ADOPT
    24 RULES AS NECESSARY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS SECTION

    Notice that revocation is 30 days after CBI accepts the revocation. The operative word is "accepts". What do they have to do to "accept" it.

    Wait that is clearly covered...

    An un-elected bureaucrat "MAY ADOPT RULES AS NECESSARY FOR THE IMPLEMENTATION OF THIS SECTION"


    Maybe the process is a 180 day wait to accept it? Maybe something else?

    This is the slippery slope to everything. Why not "voluntarily" waive your right to unreasonable searches? I mean you can also revoke the waiver... but then the police can simply search your house for the next 30 days while the voluntary revocation is administratively still in effect. And dont forget, a bureaucrat gets to make the rules how you can revoke your waiver and how long they get to accept your waiver. What about you right to a speedy trial. That is voluntarily waived and you have to jump through hoops to revoke the waiver. Maybe 1A too.

    Once they control whe nyou can and can't invoke your rights... even just 2A.... we are screwed.


    This is fascism at its peak. It cracking the door open.

    Be very scared.....

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    SB25-034 - is just stupid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buffalobo View Post
    SB25-034 - is just stupid.

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    Agreed!

    Here's a novel idea for waiving your 2A rights (this may seem extreme to some so bear with me):
    If you don't want to exercise your 2A rights, don't buy or acquire a firearm.
    Pretty simple and avoids the need to involve the legislative process.

    As already stated, this isn't about "voluntary" waiving of rights, this is to facilitate coerced waiving of your rights.
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