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    Another point here is that it adds it to the definition of a dangerous weapon under C.R.S., in the same category as a short barrelled rifle.

    There is an affirmative defense if you possess a valid "permit" for the dangerous weapon.

    It would be a decent at worst, and likely very strong argument that a tax-stamped weapon (e.g. a SBR) has a valid "permit and or license" for the weapon, and thus the "Rapid Fire Device" prohibition would fall under the same affirmative defense that lets you own an SBR:

    https://cbi.colorado.gov/sites/cbi/f...018-12-102.pdf

    Again, so long as your judge doesn't have pink hair and pronouns - I suggest moving any binary triggers in one's possession to tax stamped weapons (SBR/SBS). The affirmative defense is "for the weapon", which you have if you have the tax stamp in hand. YMMV, no guarantees, not legal advice.

    ETA: If you buy the factor configuration, SBR it w/ the tax stamp. Two layers of defensive argument there.
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    About them rapid fire devices:

    The news has repeatedly stated that the bill prohibits the purchase of rapid fire devices (implying that previously owned ones would be ok to keep).

    The text is just re-defining them as dangerous weapons, which would make them illegal immediately upon implementation, no matter when acquired.

    What says you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellavite1 View Post
    About them rapid fire devices:

    The news has repeatedly stated that the bill prohibits the purchase of rapid fire devices (implying that previously owned ones would be ok to keep).

    The text is just re-defining them as dangerous weapons, which would make them illegal immediately upon implementation, no matter when acquired.

    What says you?
    That is correct (your statement re: the text)

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    Quote Originally Posted by FoxtArt View Post
    Subject to the prior caveats that I have listed...

    I would argue the opposite. If he bought the lower with the trigger, it is the standard as built. It is arguably included within the acceptable legislation, which states, "AND REQUIRES A SEPARATE PULL, RELEASE, PUSH, OR
    INITIATION OF THE TRIGGER TO FIRE EACH CARTRIDGE" The fact that a separate... release is integrated into the definition would give a compelling argument inside a courtroom.

    That said, if your judge has pink hair and pronouns, you are f####ed no matter what any law is.
    I agree with FoxtArt on this, due to the requirement he's outlined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bellavite1 View Post
    About them rapid fire devices:

    The news has repeatedly stated that the bill prohibits the purchase of rapid fire devices (implying that previously owned ones would be ok to keep).

    The text is just re-defining them as dangerous weapons, which would make them illegal immediately upon implementation, no matter when acquired.

    What says you?
    I would say that they are banned from ownership along with bump stocks, if Governor Polis signs the bill.
    “Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson

    A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'

    That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneGuy67 View Post
    I would say that they are banned from ownership along with bump stocks, if Governor Polis signs the bill.
    Or merely allows it to pass into law without his signature. Which is exactly what that spineless douchnozzle will do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TFOGGER View Post
    Or merely allows it to pass into law without his signature. Which is exactly what that spineless douchnozzle will do.
    You are probably correct in your assessment.
    “Every good citizen makes his country's honor his own, and cherishes it not only as precious but as sacred. He is willing to risk his life in its defense and is conscious that he gains protection while he gives it.” Andrew Jackson

    A veteran is someone who, at one point in his life, wrote a blank check made payable to 'The United States of America ' for an amount of 'up to and including my life.'

    That is Honor, and there are way too many people in this country who no longer understand it.

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