Illegals moving ammunition through Colorado and Wyoming

[JohnnyDrama]

That's a lot of 15 round magazines....

[eddiememphis]

That's a lot of weight. 9000 pounds in an old van?

That thing wobbled and weaved down the road like a drunk fat girl at Mardi Gras.

[theGinsue]

I can see if people on here said the quantity should raise suspicion but why are people adding ethnicity into it?

If a white middle age guy buys a $250K in ammo and loads into a van, it is not suspicious and they?re right?

First off, a citizen can legally buy as much ammo as they can afford. Now that this is out of the way, anyone buying 180,000 would be a red flag to me unless they are a retailer, it just isn't something a normal person would/can do.

But, with the number of illegals in this country, if the persons purchasing the ammo were clearly ESL (English as a second language) persons, I'd definitely be inclined to believe they probably weren't legal purchasers. This would be the case for anyone who's native language is Spanish, German, French, Russian, Chinese.... We have to be able to use the contextual clues in front of us to help us navigate daily life. Some of these clues are going to be race based by color of skin and by language/accent used. Additionally, the volume of ammunition being purchased would be considered. When trying to work within the confines of what is and isn't legal, all of the facts needs to be considered to help determine if something looks hinky or legit. If the purchaser(s) of that much ammo were middle aged white guys with apparent gang tats, I'd question the purchase as well. But again, given the sheer volume of ammunition these individuals had, a middle aged white guy or a senior aged school marm-ish looking woman would have raised my eye brows as it's so far out of the norm. If a younger to middle aged black, hispanic or Middle Eastern descent male, all of which spoke English with Americanesque accents, came to buy 1-2 thousand rounds of ammo, I wouldn't blink an eye. All of the facts of a situation matter, and that definitely includes race.

That's a lot of weight. 9000 pounds in an old van?

That thing wobbled and weaved down the road like a drunk fat girl at Mardi Gras.

That painted the picture beautifully.

[.455_Hunter]

First off, a citizen can legally buy as much ammo as they can afford. Now that this is out of the way, anyone buying 180,000 would be a red flag to me unless they are a retailer, it just isn't something a normal person would/can do.

But, with the number of illegals in this country, if the persons purchasing the ammo were clearly ESL (English as a second language) persons, I'd definitely be inclined to believe they probably weren't legal purchasers. This would be the case for anyone who's native language is Spanish, German, French, Russian, Chinese.... We have to be able to use the contextual clues in front of us to help us navigate daily life. Some of these clues are going to be race based by color of skin and by language/accent used. Additionally, the volume of ammunition being purchased would be considered. When trying to work within the confines of what is and isn't legal, all of the facts needs to be considered to help determine if something looks hinky or legit. If the purchaser(s) of that much ammo were middle aged white guys with apparent gang tats, I'd question the purchase as well. But again, given the sheer volume of ammunition these individuals had, a middle aged white guy or a senior aged school marm-ish looking woman would have raised my eye brows as it's so far out of the norm. If a younger to middle aged black, hispanic or Middle Eastern descent male, all of which spoke English with Americanesque accents, came to buy 1-2 thousand rounds of ammo, I wouldn't blink an eye. All of the facts of a situation matter, and that definitely includes race.

I agree 100%- We are not talking somebody getting "reported" for picking-up a few 1000 round .50 cal cans of 5.56mm & 9mm. Unless you are a known purchaser for an event like an established MG shoot or training facility, the quantities in the story along with the other factors you mentioned, should bring some scrutiny. If unfounded, it's unfounded, and that's OK.

[FoxtArt]

Kind of a simple fact....

Anyone buying that quantity of ammunition legitimately (all at once) is going to be a reseller, or engaged in the firearm business, somehow.

Legal resellers are going to be US citizens and, with perhaps, one or two exceptions in the country, are not going to be primarily speaking a foreign language.

Anyone selling fiearms/ammunition does NOT want to unwittingly be classified as an exporter of the same, unless they have gone through the lengthy process to make that possible (legally), and are engaged (legally) with international buyers. You do not want $250,000 of ammunition from your LGS showing up in a van, in Mexico... or Saudi Arabia, or anything else.

The same is true if a Brit speaker on a visa came in to buy $250,000 in ammunition. Hell...NO.

[Sawin]

The first thing that crossed my mind is that the drivers had simply picked it up… almost certainly they didn’t buy it. In my mind it made more sense that there has been a bunch of small purchases made by a bunch of different people, or it was from the theft/high jacking of a bulk shipment in the past, and they’re just trying to move it now…

[brutal]

Kind of a simple fact....

Anyone buying that quantity of ammunition legitimately (all at once) is going to be a reseller, or engaged in the firearm business, somehow.

Legal resellers are going to be US citizens and, with perhaps, one or two exceptions in the country, are not going to be primarily speaking a foreign language.

Anyone selling fiearms/ammunition does NOT want to unwittingly be classified as an exporter of the same, unless they have gone through the lengthy process to make that possible (legally), and are engaged (legally) with international buyers. You do not want $250,000 of ammunition from your LGS showing up in a van, in Mexico... or Saudi Arabia, or anything else.

The same is true if a Brit speaker on a visa came in to buy $250,000 in ammunition. Hell...NO.

I'm not contradicting your statement regarding large ammunition purchases, but just for clarity, a permanent resident alien and non-immigrant temporary resident aliens can own firearms.

https://www.fbi.gov/file-repository/...-2023.pdf/view