Lock "em Up... in Alcatraz?

[eddiememphis]

Prisons are not about fixing people.

They’re about separating dangerous people from society.

Rehabilitation is available — but only works if the inmate wants it.

Most don’t. That’s why they come back.

You can’t force someone to change.

Do the crime, do the time. Do it again, go back.

[Sawin]

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Do the crime, do the time. Do it again, go back.

Depending on what it is, it should be “Do it again, and get “disappeared”… and I don’t think I’m alone in that feeling, the older I get….

[FoxtArt]

What business would be in business with 16, 30, 67 or 80% failure rate ?

The whole country, andd it's leader, I 'spose.

https://time.com/3988970/donald-trump-business/

Lets not talk about our failure rate w/r/t to the military either. There's a saying internationally.... it's very dangerous to reject America's "assistance", but outright deadly to be America's friend.

[eddiememphis]

What business would be in business with 16, 30, 67 or 80% failure rate ?

Criminal rehabilitation is more like sales than production.

In sales, those are strong numbers. Most salesmen would be very happy with a 20% conversion rate, especially with a hostile customer base.

[arbol]

The main thing I have seen, that I disagree with, is people getting busted for small amounts of drugs.

This just happens over and over and over again, and results in them becoming better at prison life than real life.

If they are driving impaired, bust them.

If they are smelling flowers in the park, leave them alone.

-John

[arbol]

Once locked up, it should be painful, and I think the prison system has a pretty good handle on what is good behavior, and what is bad behavior. Good behavior results in priviliges, bad behavior results in a loss of priviliges, or worse.

Alcatraz, for you.

-John

[DDT951]

Prisons are not about fixing people.

They’re about separating dangerous people from society.

Rehabilitation is available — but only works if the inmate wants it.

Most don’t. That’s why they come back.

You can’t force someone to change.

Do the crime, do the time. Do it again, go back.

Then why lie and say say department of corrections?

Why are they “correctional facilities” if they are not correcting anything?

Let’s be honest what prisons, especially private one. They are an industry that makes money (employment, builidings, administration, etc) off of having forced guests paid for by tax payers.

Think about this. Some municipal judges have family ownership in ignition interlock business. Why would their families own these?

[DDT951]

Once locked up, it should be painful, and I think the prison system has a pretty good handle on what is good behavior, and what is bad behavior. Good behavior results in priviliges, bad behavior results in a loss of priviliges, or worse.

Alcatraz, for you.

-John

I hope one day you get falsely accused of something and get in the system.

Can’t happen to you, huh?

Couldn’t happen to an ex-president that was accused (and convicted) of a financial crime of hiding a crime where said crime was never identified and not proven. Guilty of hiding crime that no one knows what the crime is.

Or go through a nasty divorce. Some women claim a lot of crimes so they get a leg up in the civil proceedings or as revenge.

I think the number of not guilty people in prison is a lot higher than anyone really wants to admit.

We don’t have a justice system. We have a legal system where the participants in the system are making a lot of money as part of the system. Why does anyone think Franklin Azar exists and had a $400k Maybach?

[FoxtArt]

I hope one day you get falsely accused of something and get in the system.

Can’t happen to you, huh?

Couldn’t happen to an ex-president that was accused (and convicted) of a financial crime of hiding a crime where said crime was never identified and not proven. Guilty of hiding crime that no one knows what the crime is.

Or go through a nasty divorce. Some women claim a lot of crimes so they get a leg up in the civil proceedings or as revenge.

I think the number of not guilty people in prison is a lot higher than anyone really wants to admit.

We don’t have a justice system. We have a legal system where the participants in the system are making a lot of money as part of the system. Why does anyone think Franklin Azar exists and had a $400k Maybach?

I like your points. Obviously, I don't hope for innocent accusations for anyone here but we all know that's tounge in cheek. "Framed" is a book that should be a required read in the educational system - by John Grisham. People have little idea how easy it is to get sucked into that system ESPECIALLY when you're the "upstanding citizen with nothing to hide". The standard of evidence to potentially end up on death row is effectively, nothing at all.

[buffalobo]

I think our general population would be amazed by the ownership interest judges hold in rehab facilities, half way houses, honor camps etc.

Not justice system, legal system as has been said. Very sticky, like spider web, once entangled very hard to escape it.

If you're unarmed, you are a victim