Quote Originally Posted by FoxtArt View Post
It's clear you will always be a supporter of his. I don't want to derail this thread.

By the "mores previously held by us all" I mean conservatives. And by waste, I mean that party.

Your argument boils down to conservatives should do all the same things progressives do, to "fight them". There used to be a concept of "higher ground" and "morals". Decorum and mutual respect. If you claimed to champion rights, you also respected them.

It used to be that someone that religious backers strongly supported also generally exemplified their morals.

Erika's message was good. Trump's was not, he even backended and injected disproven autism conspiracy BS into what was supposed to be a funeral.

Final point: The party is no longer about values held, rights preserved, and conserving budget (which Trump also does not do, as I warned we are spending more month over month than prior years).

The party is reduced to a simple cult of personality for Trump. Whatever happens, must be entirely excused or justified. It works for today, but it likely causes irreversable damage going forward.
Sir:
Thank you for responding.
My comments about the Dems/Progressives/Communists are not my argument but observations of them. And as far as them- as a group- their "decorum and mutual respect" went "out the window" a LONG time ago. Mainly it started with Bush Jr and it has become more and more violent and outright disgusting. Of course only their ardent- I'll say delusional- followers believe that they remain somehow the standard of doing what is Right and Just. And most certainly they are NOT the defenders of the Constitution.
And that is also why they- many of them- have literally cheered Kirks assassination.
As far as the Republicans they as a group have NOT followed the Dems lead. They are and have been, as most conservatives are by nature, more reserved and methodical in pushing back of the Dems nonsense. Thats why they are winning elections.
I'll agree with you on two things.
I wish Pres Trump would act or more importantly talk like the President of the greatest nation on Earth. His trash talking is annoying and a distraction.
But unlike you I look past it and understand that he is talking to the VERY people who tried to literally destroy him thru lies and falsehoods.
I also agree that, right or wrong, he has taken over the Republican party and there doesn't seem to any internal opposition to him. But to his credit, despite his mouth, he has delivered and so what can they do?

But back on the murder of Mr Kirk. The point remains: He was murdered due to his views and comments. Fueled by the endless violent and disgusting encouragement from the Left. Name someone, anyone, who was murdered by the Right in the same manner.
So if you want to use your words...... The Conservatives still have the Moral upper ground you seek, not the Dems.
And like wise people like the President trying to hold people accountable for their comments which are nothing more than hate filled propaganda isn't an assault on free speech or the Constitution.
It's doing what was long ago established under the "code of ethics" you long for again: "mutual respect" you call it.
Or what I'll call having the moral decency to understand that your words have meaning and actions attached to them. So you ARE responsible for words said.
And so 100% you have freedom of speech here but you also bear the responsibly of what happens due to the words spoken.
And that was established in America LONG before Trump.
But as with all this the Dems dont care, so its left to the Conservatives to hold them to account for their words.
So on that, the Conservatives remain on the higher ground, not the Dems.