Shakey Gaza Cease-Fire

[flogger]

It sounds like Hamas is going to poke the Bear.

One of the 3 Murdered hostage bodies returned this week has DNA that doesn't match any of the missing hostages, and they said they are not sure where some of the bodies are! Going through the city and executing anyone, street justice style, who may have assisted the IDF. Wasn't there something about Hamas disarmament in the treaty!

I would not trust these people one bit.

[theGinsue]

I honestly think Hamas felt they were against the ropes with no alternatives, so they accepted the "ceasefire" and hostage return. Plus, the terms required Israel to completely withdraw from Gaza.

Hamas will absolutely not disarm. Hamas is simply buying time to re-organize, re-establish strongholds in places they'd lost, set traps and conscript more youth to build back some of the numbers they've lost. They'll continue to attack against Israel, causing Israel to go back in and do it all over again.

Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

This "Peace Deal" will last only as long as it takes Hamas to feel they're in a strong position again.

[Mick-Boy]

Regarding the Executions, they might be related to this article from June...

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/...7-7fcdd7120000

Israel is providing weapons to a Jihadist group in the Gaza Strip affiliated with ISIS, Opposition lawmaker and former Defense Minister Avigdor Lieberman said Thursday.

Responding to the allegations, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's office said that "Israel is working to defeat Hamas in various ways, on the recommendation of all heads of the security establishment."

In an interview with Kan Bet public radio, Lieberman said that, similar to how Netanyahu propped up Hamas as a counterweight to the PA, he is now helping establish a new armed force as a counterweight to Hamas.

Last week, two sources told Haaretz that a new militia had recently begun operating in the southern Gaza Strip, saying it is linked to a man identifying himself as Yasser Abu Shabab.

Videos circulating on social media in recent days appear to support the claim, showing armed Palestinians in Gaza wearing standard military gear, including vests, helmets and insignia such as the Palestinian flag and a patch labeled "Anti-Terror Service" in both English and Arabic.

Abu Shabab, a member of a large Bedouin family in the southern Gaza city of Rafah, is known as a powerful and well-connected figure in the Gaza Strip. According to sources who spoke with Haaretz, he previously served prison sentences in Hamas-run jails for criminal offenses.

At the end of last year, amid a surge in looting of humanitarian aid in southern Gaza, Abu Shabab and his men were widely accused of being behind the theft.

In a November 2024 phone interview with The Washington Post, Abu Shabab did not fully deny the allegations, saying that his group avoided taking food, tents or supplies intended for children.

"The Hamasha clan are in essence lawless criminals who in recent years wanted to give themselves an ideological angle or spin, so they became Salafi [jihadists] and began identifying with ISIS," the lawmaker said.

Israel is providing this clan with light weapons and assault rifles, Lieberman alleged, adding that, "Ultimately, these weapons will be turned against us."

It seems like everyone should have known the hostage bodies were going to be a problem Some of them are likely not even in areas that Hamas controls at this point. Or buried under rubble from two years of bombing. Hopefully they thought this through making promises they can't keep.

Honestly, I'm not at all convinced either side wants a lasting cease fire right now. The Israeli government has been pretty open about their support for "Greater Israel". You can seize your neighbor's land if you're at peace...

[Clint45]

Hamas be all like, "We da po-lice now! Po-lice need us sum weapons!"

But police generally do not carry grenades, lol.

[FoxtArt]

Mostly unrelated to this, but it's a bit absurd to me the risks we take as a society for the recovery of a corpse.

Example: Diver drowns during a very risky deep water caving expedition. Other divers work out a very complicated technical rescue of his corpse. Another diver drowns in the process, but they get both bodies back. Is it worth it?

If members of the IDF ultimately die over arguments here re: corpses, will that make the families of the corpses feel better? Or worse? I really don't know. I get that they want their child home in any condition. But would they still really want that at the cost of further life?

Once I'm dead, throw ashes into the garden, or anywhere, I'm dead. I know there are groups that believe a body needs to be complete and will someday come alive again (??) but I'd argue they either haven't read, or understand their own religious texts. I can't imagine the feeling knowing other parents lost their children so that I could receive a predeceased relative's body myself, ripping an irreplaceable wound in several others for my own "closure".

ETA:
FTR, I get it, Hamas sucks, these were hostages, IDF should get the bodies back, and Hamas should get wiped off the map. I don't disagree with that. I'm just wondering more broadly, why do we kill our neighbors (not talking Hamas) to get a family member's body back from really dangerous shit.

[Eric P]

Makes no sense to restart fighting over dead rotting sack of flesh.

[theGinsue]

Honest question for the last 2 posters: Would you still be posing this question if the body was that of a U.S. Servicemember who died in combat?

Does the situation around the persons death change the parameters enough to negate the question for those circumstances?

[FoxtArt]

Honest question for the last 2 posters: Would you still be posing this question if the body was that of a U.S. Servicemember who died in combat?

Does the situation around the persons death change the parameters enough to negate the question for those circumstances?

Absolutely the question stands and is asked just for that situation. Would a US service person's parent's really want more parents to lose their children as well for no other purpose than to retrieve a body?

And we do leave people behind, frequently. Living and dead, in all prior wars. "No man left behind" is marketing, not an actual standard. It's simply a social standard that places a lot of value on a "body", so much so that we seem to value a corpse more than life, so long as it the additional lsn't another one of our own children, completely acceptable if it's three of my neighbor's kids. "Closure" is that important. It's quite strange... Here we are, the oddball, saying isn't someone's living life more valuable than a dead corpse?

[Eric P]

Honest question for the last 2 posters: Would you still be posing this question if the body was that of a U.S. Servicemember who died in combat?

Does the situation around the persons death change the parameters enough to negate the question for those circumstances?

Does not change 1 bit. Zero sense to risk or cost life to rescue a dead sack of rotting flesh, even if it was in my family. I see zero value in dead bodies.

[Oscar77]

Absolutely the question stands and is asked just for that situation. Would a US service person's parent's really want more parents to lose their children as well for no other purpose than to retrieve a body?

And we do leave people behind, frequently. Living and dead, in all prior wars. "No man left behind" is marketing, not an actual standard. It's simply a social standard that places a lot of value on a "body", so much so that we seem to value a corpse more than life, so long as it the additional lsn't another one of our own children, completely acceptable if it's three of my neighbor's kids. "Closure" is that important. It's quite strange... Here we are, the oddball, saying isn't someone's living life more valuable than a dead corpse?

Normally I have and will simply disagree with you, but in this case it's clear you have no sense of morality nor have ever been in a true life and death situation.
Because if you had, it would be impossible for you to pose these questions.
In 20+ years of military service, in multiple combat zones, I can tell you the concept of "No man left behind" isnt marketing nor a standard, its a deeply held moral held by those involved.
It has reason and purpose that you clearly cant understand.
Which is fine.
So instead, you're just going to have to trust that is important to the Israelis and those involved families to get those bodies back.
And even though you cant comprehend why, it's part of the negotiations.
Because after all only Savages purposely keep and use dead hostages as bargaining chips.
Thats what you might focus on instead.